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Dave Marshall

Thu Mar 22 2012, 02:02AM

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I'm sorry, I can't continue the conversation in any sort of polite or intelligent manner, so I'm going to exit gracefully.

My only advice is don't spend that money, and seek a property assessment from an experienced and respected timber surveyor, and take his word as gospel. I truly wish you were correct in your yield estimates. I'd be worth something north of a cool $250 Million by now.

Weston

Thu Mar 22 2012, 02:41AM

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Trees with 7' spacing? Is this what they will look like?

What about the water requirements? Or even trying to travel through the grove? You need to make sure to not hire a fat gardener.

I think building sensible plans would most impress the people at MIT the most. The sciences are rooted in logic after all.

Chris Russell

Thu Mar 22 2012, 02:45AM

... not Russel!
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According to the NY DEC (

, 2012 stumpage prices for black cherry in Western NY average around 80 cents per board foot on the high end, with $1.20 per board foot being the absolute maximum. You're not going to get 70% of the lumber's market value for standing trees, that's nonsense.

Planting trees close together doesn't increase their yield. Quite the opposite. Overcrowding leads to decreased yield, because the trees don't have enough canopy space. A 14 by 16 foot spacing is pretty aggressive for mature trees, and that would give you about 195 trees per acre. Even if each tree grew to an absurd 64 feet tall and three feet in diameter in only 25 years (not going to happen), you'd have a total of 1640 board feet per tree: a total of 319,800 board feet. If you then managed to turn around and sell that at the highest going rate, you'd have $383,760 to clear-cut the whole thing. And that's a ridiculously optimistic scenario. In reality, even if you were very diligent with maintenance, I doubt you'd see a harvest half that size in 40 years.

Your numbers make no sense. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or anything, and neither is anyone else here. You just seem to have unrealistic expectations about the way the world works, be it universities or timber lots.

Carbon_Rod

Thu Mar 22 2012, 04:10AM

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Maybe dripped Synthetic Growth plant hormones to increase yield, and ask local hunters to prevent deer from nibbling the tops off the seedlings. I wonder if a mutant tree could evolve in such conditions, and if goats could remove the competing brush fast enough.

Rapidly growing Christmas Trees in cycled lots would generate earlier revenue returns. One could also bury municipal garden waste in the other lots during rest years to sustain topsoil nutrient cycles, and not have to pay for the machinery or fuel.

Biology has the answers to this and many other amazing phenomena

I would be grateful if ASD people could disclose their score for this test:

Adam Munich

Thu Mar 22 2012, 04:20AM

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I never considered christmas trees...

I saw 15 passes and what looked like a guy in a bigfoot suit.

AndrewM

Thu Mar 22 2012, 04:28AM

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To get back on track... I'm pretty sure MIT would be interested in your technology that lets you plant 1000 trees per acre.

Holy shit this thread is comedy gold. I'm putting it in my 4HV top ten... right up there with CM and his Halbach array.

Adam Munich

Thu Mar 22 2012, 05:15AM

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hit the capacitor can generate a deadly light or maybe microwaves can be reflected by the target and damage the HERF gun, or damage the power supply of the gun, or kill the man who put "power on" on this power supply...

AndrewM

Thu Mar 22 2012, 05:53AM

Registered Member #49 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:05AM
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No no no stop editing your posts, you're ruining a work of art!!

My masterpiece!! Ruined!!!

:(

Carbon_Rod

Thu Mar 22 2012, 06:27AM

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Actually from a carbon offset credit perspective its brilliant,
and an Oil company will pay for the credits planting carbon negative trees.

With a possible faster growing tree alternative you would also likely get research grants to investigate the matter.

Although, in order for the predicted numbers to make sense....
I have to admit I'm more concerned you may be considering illegal greenery.... you know... X-president Clinton brand...

Steve Conner

Thu Mar 22 2012, 08:09AM

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What a lack of empathy. I guess Grenadier started this thread because he was depressed and looking for some support. So we dis his forestry skills.

What else did you expect from a science forum? 1000 trees per acre seems like an awful lot.

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