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The following analysis of the recent legal proceedings in Georgia (where state residents are challenging Obama's eligibility to appear on the state ballot) has convinced me that Obama is a fraud. It's convinced me that the so-called "birthers" are correct in their assertion that Obama is not qualified to be President. It's become so laughably absurd that there's just no other way to interpret what's been going on here.
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Before this thread gets locked, I just want to say that Bill O'reilly pretty much demonstrated to my satisfaction that Obama was indeed born in hawaii, and is qualified to be president.
Though i believe he is the most dangerous presisdent we Americans have ever chosen and foisted upon the rest of the world.
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You mean Bill O'Reilly from the Fox "News" Channel?
ROTFLMAO! That's about all I can say about that in polite company.
Call me unreasonable if you will, but at this sorry point in time, the only way I'll believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, is if I see a legitimate birth certificate (you know, like at least having some kind of an official seal or something like any and every actual birth certificate does) indicating as much. Otherwise, I have to take the position that if Obama had nothing to hide, he simply wouldn't be hiding it, and that he is lying about his status just like he lies about everything else.
It doesn't make sense that he would go through all the trouble he's going through and hide behind lawyers, and generally make himself look so ridiculous when the simple alternative is to produce one lousy document that would not only vindicate him but also make his critics eat humble pie.
Lastly there's the question of whether or not he's a "Natural Born Citizen", the resolution of which would depend on the information from his birth certificate that we're not allowed to see. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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The Snopes analysis seems sound to me. You disagree?
To assume that both birth certificates are forgeries, other evidence is forged, and Hawaii officials are lying/deceived about Obama's birth location requires there to be a pretty big conspiracy in place to cover all of this up. This conspiracy would need to be well under way before Obama even started his run for President, and it seems unlikely to go through all that trouble before he's even elected.
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Yes, I disagree.
Unfortunately, we live in an age of universal deceit where the coin of the realm is the lie.
That being the case, especially in matters involving "politics" and "government", I don't take anything anyone says at face value.
Anyway, one problem I have with the page you linked to, for example, is with regard to the birth certificates that Obama's offered: they don't jive with other birth certificates from the same hospital issued at the same time.
If the page you linked to was legitimate, it would've at least mentioned that Susan Nordyke's birth certificates (for her twin daughters) are different from Obama's, IMO.
Why doesn't Obama's "long form" look like her long forms? Where's the seal on Obama's long form? And if Obama was born a day before Susan Nordyke's twins, why does his birth certificate have a higher number than theirs?
And what about other documentation concerning Obama, e.g., his school records. As I understand it, his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, etc., none of it is available. Why?
As far as conspiracies go, I see "government" itself as one big conspiracy. Conspiracy is the norm, not the exception. And as far as I'm concerned, essentially all of 20th century History, as it is commonly taught to and understood by the masses, is a complete fraud.
BTW, former CIA agent and Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt made a "deathbed" statement that the assassination of JFK was a conspiracy involving many people including himself, and that LBJ played a significant role. Do you believe that, and if not, why not?
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Obama has pretty much stuck to many of the policies that got him elected the first time. The Truth-O-Meter is quite accurate:
However, some of the bills he personally allowed to pass without veto were outrageous violations of the constitution. Mitt Romney will likely end up winning the next election, but I doubt he has the capacity to resolve the current set of problems.
The real economic problems of demand-deficient-labor is not going to be solved by the rational-self-interest of (billion/million)aires.
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I don't usually get into political threads, but this is something I feel very strongly about. I believe very strongly in the constitution that this great country was founded on. It's what made this country the most powerful in the world and quite frankly all Obama has done is slowly take chunks out of it slowly turning this country socialist. He is not entirely to blame, but he has sure fast tracked the conversion in the time has has been in office.
What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that this country was founded on equal rights, not privileges. Every one has an equal ability to make it what they will for themselves, it's not up to the government to give out privileges.
I also believe that obama is in office illegitimately, if he was indeed a US citizen why did he spend millions to cover up and suppress this in the main stream news? If he was a citizen he would have nothing to worry about, BUT he has given me proof by his own actions that he is guilty of the crime he has committed. Yes it is a CRIME.
I'm generally not a finger pointer, but in this case a finger needs pointing, and I'm pointing mine at Mr.B
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jpsmith123 wrote ...
Anyway, one problem I have with the page you linked to, for example, is with regard to the birth certificates that Obama's offered: they don't jive with other birth certificates from the same hospital issued at the same time.
If the page you linked to was legitimate, it would've at least mentioned that Susan Nordyke's birth certificates (for her twin daughters) are different from Obama's, IMO.
Why doesn't Obama's "long form" look like her long forms? Where's the seal on Obama's long form? And if Obama was born a day before Susan Nordyke's twins, why does his birth certificate have a higher number than theirs?
The long and short forms both seem to match to me, I'm not sure what differences you're picking up on. The official story on the seal is that it doesn't show up in a scan. This may sound suspicious to you, but to me I just think that if this were a forgery then they would have forged the embossed seal. As for serial numbers I'll refer you to perfectly logical explanations at I can't know for sure if he was born in HI, but as there are good responses to the major accusations, HI officials have confirmed the authenticity, and at least one person from his past has come forward to corroborate his birth I'd say the odds are pretty good he was born in HI.
wrote ... And what about other documentation concerning Obama, e.g., his school records. As I understand it, his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, etc., none of it is available. Why?
Why on earth would all of that be made available to the public? Just because he is president of the US doesn't mean that his entire life's history is an open book. I can't imagine why you want to see his school records, they have nothing to do with the country of his birth. Similarly any academic publishing he did while interesting to know about him as a politician has nothing to do with country of birth. If you do want to dig down even further PolitiFact says they obtained his drivers and marriage licenses: not that it or the passport you want to see actually proves anything. All of those documents can be obtained with a birth certificate (or not even that necessarily) so these documents tell you nothing if you say the birth certificate is forged.
wrote ... As far as conspiracies go, I see "government" itself as one big conspiracy. Conspiracy is the norm, not the exception. And as far as I'm concerned, essentially all of 20th century History, as it is commonly taught to and understood by the masses, is a complete fraud.
BTW, former CIA agent and Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt made a "deathbed" statement that the assassination of JFK was a conspiracy involving many people including himself, and that LBJ played a significant role. Do you believe that, and if not, why not?
History is certainly biased, which is something drilled into students in any good high school history class. You can choose to live in paranoia and not believe any fact you have not personally investigated and verified, but that sounds exhausting to me. Conspiracies happen for sure, and they may demand more of our attention when they happen, but for the most part people are just living their lives.
Goodchild wrote ... I also believe that obama is in office illegitimately, if he was indeed a US citizen why did he spend millions to cover up and suppress this in the main stream news? If he was a citizen he would have nothing to worry about, BUT he has given me proof by his own actions that he is guilty of the crime he has committed. Yes it is a CRIME.
It wouldn't surprise me if he has spent millions in legal and publicity expenses defending himself against these allegations, but it means nothing because he would defend himself against the allegations whether or not he was truly born in HI. I also seriously doubt that he suppressed the story in mainstream news, in fact to me it seemed like the news spent far more time on this story than it merited and still does.
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