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What's the internal construction of TDK UHV series ceramic "doorknob" capacitors?

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Steve Ward
Fri Jan 13 2012, 07:45AM
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We got bare capacitors because we were potting them inside of kicker magnets (a low-ish impedance transmission line whose b-field is used to kick a particle accelerator's beam) and didnt need the extra bulk of the epoxy. The potting was sylgard.
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Patrick
Fri Jan 13 2012, 07:57AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Steve Ward wrote ...

We got bare capacitors because we were potting them inside of kicker magnets (a low-ish impedance transmission line whose b-field is used to kick a particle accelerator's beam) and didnt need the extra bulk of the epoxy. The potting was sylgard.
i guess some dont even need the leads, preferring their own connections.
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Kizmo
Fri Jan 13 2012, 12:27PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

I can attest to RTV silicone, its a total B@#%%ch to remove. These are TDK 40KVDC caps, 5mm thread. I'm not sure what they were used for in the past other than for some kind of laser supply, I use them for my TC bank and they work very well.
The only real purpose I can see for encapsulating them in RTV is to reduce corona, which would be enormous for a large bank of these.


I have very same caps and they work really well in Marx generator. I have ran my generator for couple hours total with 0.5Hz rep rate with no problems at all :)



1326457628 599 FT131995 Marx1
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jpsmith123
Wed Feb 22 2012, 04:32AM
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Does anyone know what kind of failure modes these caps have? And what kind of continuous current they can handle?

Has anyone ever had one fail?
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GrantX
Wed Feb 22 2012, 06:57AM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

Does anyone know what kind of failure modes these caps have? And what kind of continuous current they can handle?

Has anyone ever had one fail?

I bought 10 30kV 1nF doorknob caps ages ago and one of them died when I was using it to limit a 15kV NST's current. I had it in series with one output and was drawing very low current arcs, and it failed short after like 5 seconds :(

I'm guessing it must have been a manufacturing fault, because the other 9 have survived much worse abuse.
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jpsmith123
Wed Feb 22 2012, 04:33PM
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Thanks for the reply.

I'm thinking about buying some ceramic doorknob caps. Being that they're so expensive, I may even get some used ones. It seems there's not much to go wrong...they're like a piece of solid rock with electrodes...

I just wonder what kind of aging processes, if any, are occuring in the dielectric?
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Erlend^SE
Wed Feb 22 2012, 06:00PM
Erlend^SE Registered Member #1565 Joined: Wed Jun 25 2008, 09:08PM
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Just for an idea, can the ceramic doorknob caps be the same deal as ceramic smd caps. I have seen something about SMD caps loosing capacitance, and can be restored by heating up to the currie point (as for the SMD type.. that would for instance be soldering)

Anyone able to verify?
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