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Antonio
Wed Jan 11 2012, 09:16PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Alex1M6, give me a few hours.

Antonio, is this better?

105240


Yes, but the value of the capacitor seems too high for the normal primary. The usual value is something in the 1-10 nF range, chosen so the voltage peak across the transistor when it turns off is safely below its maximum voltage when the interrupted current is maximum. There is just one oscillation peak. The diode clamps the negative swing and returns the stored energy to the power supply through the primary coil. It makes little difference if the capacitor is across the transistor or across the primary coil, but if it is across the primary coil the oscillation current doesn't pass through the power supply.
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GFH
Thu Jan 12 2012, 08:36PM
GFH Registered Member #4324 Joined: Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:16AM
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OK Gents

After several meltdowns (how can something so easy repeated by 12 years be so difficult ;) )

I started with this


1326397051 4324 FT131895 Flyback Circuit


Where is supposed to be
D1 is 1n4007
R1 are 1k ohm
Vr are 20 k ohm
IC is 555
C1 is .01 uF
C2 is .01 uF 1 Kv
MOSFET is 2SK1796
no description given for R2

I used IRFP350 for the 2SK1796 and placed a 2 kohm for R2. I used 20 windings on the FBT. Not exactly sure of why the 2 pots. I figured 2 fixed resistors would be better.

It works but I get no where near the result expected

So what do I change?

I will try maybe a 100ohm for R2 and some more windings or the internal coil if I can track it down.

The original is here Link2 and you can see from photos near the bottom he is getting something out of it. My arc is MAYBE one millimeter.

Cheers

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Alex M
Thu Jan 12 2012, 08:49PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Change the gate resistor (R2) to something like 22 ohm, seriously with what you have there now the MOSFET will hardly be tuning on at all!

Change the resistors on the 555 to 50k pots so you can tune it to a frequency that works best with your flyback and make the primary around 12 turns.

It should work much better, the MOSFET will get hot though.

Do that and report back.
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GFH
Thu Jan 12 2012, 09:25PM
GFH Registered Member #4324 Joined: Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:16AM
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Hi Alex,

Before I got your response I had 3 of 470ohm in parallel. That gave me an improvement. Arc just under a centimeter.

I changed R2 to a 27 (didnt have a 22) and it's now a solid 1cm+. It's not a real "thick" arc but I'm more concerned about the voltage to get my sons"electro-kinetic device" in the air.

I will try a few less windings and see what happens and change the Pots to 50k's

MOSFET is on a heatsink


Thanks Alex.


Once thats done I'll concentrate on volume :)
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Patrick
Thu Jan 12 2012, 11:01PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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you can still call it a lifter....
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GFH
Thu Jan 12 2012, 11:32PM
GFH Registered Member #4324 Joined: Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:16AM
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Oh good. That's so much easier :)
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GFH
Fri Jan 13 2012, 03:11AM
GFH Registered Member #4324 Joined: Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:16AM
Location: Surrey, BC, Canada
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Hey Alex

Not sure if it's a typo or?

Whe you say "Change the resistors on the 555 to 50k pots "

Right now I have a 1kohm in series with a 20kohm pot.

Are you saying replace the 20k ohm pot with a 50k ohm one OR get rid of the resistor as well as change the 20kohm to 50k ohm?

Cheers

Gord


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Patrick
Fri Jan 13 2012, 03:59AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i dont see why you have to use the 2Kblahblah mosfet, many could work there.
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GFH
Fri Jan 13 2012, 04:54AM
GFH Registered Member #4324 Joined: Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:16AM
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Sorry Patrick. That ones lost on me. What's a 2kblahblah mosfet?
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Patrick
Fri Jan 13 2012, 05:02AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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GFH wrote ...

Sorry Patrick. That ones lost on me. What's a 2k-blah-blah mosfet?
2SK1796 mosfet.... to many letters and numbers
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