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Building a simple 10X probe

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Sulaiman
Sat Dec 31 2011, 10:56AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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TVSs are really useful
but for your 'scope probe not directly applicable
as low voltage TVS (e.g. 1.5ke range) have large capacitance (e.g. 1nF to 10 nF)
A spark gap of the type commonly used for telephone lines etc should be enough to protect a 'scope input and has low capacitance.
e.g. <1pF Link2
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Patrick
Sat Dec 31 2011, 01:19PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i wasnt planning to use the 1.5 ke ones,. let me check... hmm a 200 volt TVS would have 50 pF so maybe that matters.

what about high impedance sources generating the V to cause the breakover in the gas arrester? is that a problem sulaiman?
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Sulaiman
Sat Dec 31 2011, 04:09PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The higher the source impedance the less work for the spark gap
(peak current/total energy etc.)

I've never used any protection for my 'scopes other than a bit of caution
The typical (eBay) x10 'scope probe will probably short internally before your 'scope gets 'threatening' voltage spikes
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Fulmen
Sat Dec 31 2011, 05:47PM
Fulmen Registered Member #3883 Joined: Fri May 13 2011, 06:30PM
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A GDT was a good suggestion, Sulaiman, looks like a 1.5KV tube would fit the bill quite nicely, having a breakdown voltage of 2KV @1KV/us.
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Fulmen
Sat Dec 31 2011, 06:22PM
Fulmen Registered Member #3883 Joined: Fri May 13 2011, 06:30PM
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BTW, here's the finished result. Rather pleased with it although the color turned out a little washed out.
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Fulmen
Sat Dec 31 2011, 06:24PM
Fulmen Registered Member #3883 Joined: Fri May 13 2011, 06:30PM
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Forgot the pic.

1325355866 3883 FT131210 Probe2
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Patrick
Sat Dec 31 2011, 09:30PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Fulmen wrote ...

Forgot the pic.

1325355866 3883 FT131210 Probe2

next time put the ground lead closer to the tip and make it shorter, remember ground lead inductance matters.

it looks real good, are you a high school student?
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Fulmen
Sat Dec 31 2011, 10:46PM
Fulmen Registered Member #3883 Joined: Fri May 13 2011, 06:30PM
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No Sir, long time since I was in school. And I see your point, it was modeled after my other probe and I didn't really give it much thought.

I'm sure I'll make another one before long, once we get the shop back online I will have access to both a manual and a CNC mill. This was more of a boredom-project, just to give me a probe to scope the primary on my ignition coil. I will need a better cable, the inductance is visible even at 1KHz. But it works and will hopefully save the last channel on my scope. If I can get another scope I'll try to fix the one I blew, but that could take time.

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Patrick
Sun Jan 01 2012, 01:33AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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you must be a middle aged drunk .... like me.
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Fulmen
Sun Jan 01 2012, 01:46AM
Fulmen Registered Member #3883 Joined: Fri May 13 2011, 06:30PM
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You have no idea how true that is. Cheers, and happy new years.
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