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Inducktion
Fri Dec 02 2011, 01:50AM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Link2

This worries me. The act was even passed in the Senate so far, although President Obama says he'll veto it.

I'm rather scared at this act if it does pass. It's very reminiscent of 1984. (the book, not the year)



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jpsmith123
Fri Dec 02 2011, 04:00AM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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The bizarre (under the circumstances) wording of the legislation makes it quite clear to me that they're targeting the "9/11 truth movement".

What scares our Ziofascist dictatorship more than anything else is the thought that the "Occupy Wall St. Movement" might take up the cause of 9/11 truth. They can't allow that at any cost.
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Coronafix
Fri Dec 02 2011, 10:17AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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It's been building towards this for years, there are untold number of FEMA camps and trains ready for mass incarceration.
Did you hear that they cleared drones to fly the American skies...?
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WaveRider
Fri Dec 02 2011, 12:16PM
WaveRider Registered Member #29 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 09:00AM
Location: Hasselt, Belgium
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Come on guys! There are certainly better reasons to lock up US citizens than "membership" in some nebulous "9/11 Truth Movement!"

Take, for example the "War on Some Drugs. In history, one only needs to look at the Anti-Sedition laws invoked during WW1 in the US (to wipe out anti-war trade unions like the "Wobblies") or the laws that put US citizens of Japanese descent in camps during WWII. Proposed legislation during the McCarthy era also suggested the use of "concentration camps" to contain suspected US communists.

Conspiracy theories serve only to deflect attention from the true problem: that the USA, UK and Europe are legislating away their civil liberties in the name of a (false) sense of security. The question we should be considering is: "How do we stop and reverse the trend?"
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jpsmith123
Fri Dec 02 2011, 01:33PM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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Come on guys! There are certainly better reasons to lock up US citizens than "membership" in some nebulous "9/11 Truth Movement!"

Maybe you're in Belgium so you don't know much about it?
They're not worried about 'membership' in some nebulous '9/11 Truth Movement'", rather, they're worried about the potential for massive demonstrations in major cities with people demanding a real investigation. That's what they're worried about.

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Take, for example the "War on Some Drugs.

Ok, so what's your point? What about the "war on some drugs"? Presuming it's not a fraud (like every other "war" in U.S. history), you're expecting some kind of a massive, anomalous surge in illegal drug use, requiring FEMA camps all over the country?

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In history, one only needs to look at the Anti-Sedition laws invoked during WW1 in the US (to wipe out anti-war trade unions like the "Wobblies") or the laws that put US citizens of Japanese descent in camps during WWII. Proposed legislation during the McCarthy era also suggested the use of "concentration camps" to contain suspected US communists.

Again, what's your point?

wrote ...

Conspiracy theories serve only to deflect attention from the true problem: that the USA, UK and Europe are legislating away their civil liberties in the name of a (false) sense of security. The question we should be considering is: "How do we stop and reverse the trend?"

ROTFL! In other words, you would have us believe that all the things the U.S. government has been doing lately (I don't need to list it all, do I?) is just some misguided - but very well intentioned - attempt to "protect" us?
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WaveRider
Fri Dec 02 2011, 01:58PM
WaveRider Registered Member #29 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 09:00AM
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Well, in the interest of rational discourse, I would say that your extraordinary claims require some pretty extraordinary evidence.

It is you who gives the government too much credit. Given the general ineptitude and interagency conflict, do you really think such a conspiracy could really be carried out by a group of 3 letter agencies with such precision?

The point of my mentioning of historical references is that these things have happened before...mostly with popular consent...not conspiracy! Lift the tin-foil had from in front of your eyes and you'll see!

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jpsmith123
Fri Dec 02 2011, 02:38PM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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Well, in the interest of rational discourse, I would say that your extraordinary claims require some pretty extraordinary evidence.

Please point out where you see an "extraordinary" claim.

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It is you who gives the government too much credit.

It is? Credit for what?

wrote ...

Given the general ineptitude and interagency conflict, do you really think such a conspiracy could really be carried out with such daring? The point of my mentioning of historical references is that these things have happened before...mostly with popular consent...not conspiracy!

You're kidding, right? So you're going to tell me that FDR did not conspire to get the U.S. involved in WW2? And General Patton died from "natural" causes? And the attack on the USS Liberty was an "accident" for example? And Oswald, acting alone, killed JFK? And the U.S. never overthrew the govt. of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala? And Daniel Ellsberg simply made up the "Pentagon Papers"? and Watergate never happened? And James Earl Ray, acting alone shot Martin Luther King? And I could go on and on because all of "History" is a pack of lies.

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But I guess there is no arguing with a convinced tin-foil hatter on that point! Ziofascists...give me a break..that's a wingnut code word if I ever heard one!

Oh no, not the "tin-foil hat" epithet!

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BTW - I am a US citizen who finds himself now working in Belgium and who is very concerned that his country's image abroad is being tarnished by wack-jobs and nutters who offer no constructive ideas to help build a future for the USA and the world...

Yep, I'm one of those "wack-job tin-foil hat nutters" who thinks we probably should not have let a bunch of bloodthirsty Jewish extremist madmen take over our government. And in order to do something about our "tarnished image" abroad, we need to consider stopping the senseless slaughter and subjugation of Arabs/Moslems; we need to stop being a platform for criminally insane madmen who want to rule the world.

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Please explain this: Link2 Is that guy lying?
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WaveRider
Fri Dec 02 2011, 03:18PM
WaveRider Registered Member #29 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 09:00AM
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Wow! You got me there! I'm sorry, but I just have no response to what you just committed to the Internet for all eternity (unless some admin wants to sanitize it!)

Criticism of Israel with regards to the subjugation of the Palestinians is certainly in order, but your general Jew-Hatred is of another era that I think we all were hoping we would never see again!
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jpsmith123
Fri Dec 02 2011, 03:31PM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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Wow! You got me there! I'm sorry, but I just have no response to what you just committed to the Internet for all eternity (unless some admin wants to sanitize it!)

Well of course you have no substantive reply, because you know I'm right. All you can do is call me names, as expected.

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Criticism of Israel with regards to the subjugation of the Palestinians is certainly in order, but your general Jew-Hatred is of another era that I think we all were hoping we would never see again!

I referred you to a Zionist Jewish defector who said that Zionist Jews had conspired to take over the U.S. government; that makes me a "Jew hater"? If I quote the candid public statements of Jewish leaders, I'm an anti-semite?

Well here are some more quotes for you, so you can call me some more names:

"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. NOTHING that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy, because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build." (Maurice Samuel, "You Gentiles" p.155)

"For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany. Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews." -- Vladimir Jabotinsky (founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also quoted in "Histoire de l'Arme'e Allemande"by Jacques Benoist--Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).


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AndrewM
Fri Dec 02 2011, 03:45PM
AndrewM Registered Member #49 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:05AM
Location: Bigass Pile of Penguins
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Wow. Its getting crazy in here.

Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich is a non-existent figure cited in antisemitic propaganda. Like the "Israel Cohen" of A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, "Rabbi Rabinovich" was invented by Eustace Mullins.

"Rabbi Rabinovich" supposedly gave a speech entitled Our Race Will Rule Undisputed Over The World to the "Emergency Council of European Rabbis" in Budapest, Hungary on January 12, 1952. The speech outlines a plan for Jews to subjugate the world via a "Third World War". This forgery is taken as a "proof" of a Jewish plot against gentiles in much the same way as another hoax, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, invoked in the Rabinovich speech, is used as "proof" of Jewish global conspiracy.
Link2

EDIT: For context note that this fake author and his crazypants speech were originally quoted by jpsmith123 before he cowardly editted his post.
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