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Microwatt
Fri Nov 25 2011, 06:30PM Print
Microwatt Registered Member #3282 Joined: Wed Oct 06 2010, 05:01PM
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Can you guys imagine what it would be like to own and build a high voltage capacitor that can store 1 megajoule and up of electric energy? I am thinking of a three layer Mylar film capacitor made up of 20 mil sheets stack three deep in between the aluminum foil layers. You would build your own rolling machine buy bulk from dupont and Reynolds aluminum foil. for casing you would go to the sewer district contractors and order a piece of 4 foot wide PVC pipe. With this level of power you can make a decent coil gun with hypersonic projectiles, megagauss fields for transient MRI gold prospecting. lots of fun waking up the neighbors as well.
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Antonio
Fri Nov 25 2011, 11:47PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Quite dangerous, since 10 J are enough to kill, but you eat more than this energy every day.
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Harry
Sat Nov 26 2011, 02:49PM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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What would everyone else build with a capacitor this large?
Looking at my disposable camera now thinking it would take years to charge a cap like this . . .
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Thomas W
Sat Nov 26 2011, 03:13PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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quater shrinking anyone?
2cm -> 0.2cm :L
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Mads Barnkob
Sat Nov 26 2011, 03:52PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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Lets see... a quick calculation made with deepfriedneons plate capacitor calculator says

With PVC dialectric, I would need 13700 plates with 0.01 mm distance with an size of 300 x 300 millimeter to get 5000uF, that at 20kV is about a million joule.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Nov 26 2011, 04:18PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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BOPET and BOPP are the dielectrics of choice ... over an order of magnitude better dielectric strength than PVC.
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jnbrex
Sat Nov 26 2011, 06:19PM
jnbrex Registered Member #3950 Joined: Wed Jun 15 2011, 12:45AM
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Having a material with higher dielectric strength would decrease the capacitance proportionally, so it would not be any better of a material.
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sngecko
Sat Nov 26 2011, 08:02PM
sngecko Registered Member #3447 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 11:10PM
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I think jnbrex might be confusing "dielectric strength" with "dielectric constant". Even if jnbrex meant "dielectric constant", we know that capacitance increases with the dielectric constant (C=k*e0*A/d), ceteris paribus.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Nov 26 2011, 08:25PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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jnbrex wrote ...

Having a material with higher dielectric strength would decrease the capacitance proportionally, so it would not be any better of a material.
Dielectric strength doesn't affect capacitance at all on it's own as long as the capacitor isn't breaking down, it just allows you to use thinner isolation before it breaks down ... and since capacitance is proportional to 1/d that gives you greater capacitance per volume.

If I was going to spend the time DIY'ing a big pulse capacitor I'd use BOPP packing foil ... also I'd build it as a MMC, trying to make one absolutely huge one is asking for a lot of heartache in the case of catastrophic failure.
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teravolt
Sun Nov 27 2011, 01:51AM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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hi Microwatt, I have seen mega joule banks of caps that take up a room. unless you have a Quarter million and a facility for the caps you wont get there. Theas types of facilities can pose a explosion hazard and envaulve things like interlocks. if you want to play with cap get a hand full of electrolytics and a SCR and wind a coil and make a coin poper. I have thought of making a can crusher
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