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small 6146B vacuum tube tesla coil

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hsieh
Sun Nov 13 2011, 01:51AM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I build this VTTC using 6146B and what I can find in my junkbox.currently no breakout but fluorscent lamps lignt up.
Still don't know much about VTTC and don't know what adjustments I can do.
1321149005 1412 FT0 P1000100

1321149005 1412 FT0 P1000101

640
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U4R1A
Sun Nov 13 2011, 04:33AM
U4R1A Registered Member #3505 Joined: Sun Dec 12 2010, 06:03AM
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I've been thinking about building a small VTTC much like this one. Keep playing with it. It looks good.
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Conundrum
Sun Nov 13 2011, 09:47AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Would this work with a smaller tube?

I have a few random RF tubes here culled from defunct valve TVs, one resembles the B+ generator valve but is a lot smaller..
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waterman
Sun Nov 13 2011, 11:04AM
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节能灯能点亮证明TC次级有电流 试着调一下谐振或者加一个breakout point
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Nov 13 2011, 04:29PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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hsieh, In reply to your questions:
Try to find a cap with the 3-4 nF value, can be polypropylene film rated at least at 2000 volts, or you can make a mmc out of smaller ones.
You can measure the resonant frequency by feeding the secondary base from a (grounded) frequency generator, through a 1k resistor. Scope the voltage at the base while changing the frequency. The frequency at which the voltage at the base is the lowest, is your resonant frequency.
JavaTC is usually pretty accurate with these calculations.
You can make a CT out of a toridal core from a common mode choke (from PC PSU, other SMPS etc), wind some 50 turns on it and shunt with a 10 ohm resistor.

So please post more details about your coil - secondary resonant frequency, primary form diameter, and I'll tell you how you can go about tuning your coil.
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hsieh
Mon Nov 14 2011, 03:45PM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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My secondary resonant frequency is 640Khz.primary form diameter is 12cm.

How can I measure primary LC resonant frequency?I have a homemade LC meter so I can measure them separately.But I want to confirm my calculation.

If I use audiophile grade MKP capacitors,will it work better?

It may take me several days or a week to finish all the adjustment modification.
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hsieh
Wed Nov 16 2011, 01:44AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I use larger capacitor on my voltage doubler(68u,the largest i can find)
My primary LC resonant frequency is 620KHz,my secondary is 640KHz.
primary:12cm diameter 9turns.feedback 12cm diameter 10turns
tank capacitor is three 0.01u 630V audio grade MKP capacitor wired in serial.
Rg2 now changed to 50K.

still no breakout
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Nov 19 2011, 06:56PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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From my calculations, with a 3 nF tank capacitor, you should use around 15 turns on the primary (wound over the length of 3 cm) with the taps on the last 7 or so turns. If you can't get enough power out of the coil, try a 4 nF tank cap and retune.
Start with the outermost turn and decrease turns until you get good output.

The grid coil should have around 15 turns.

For the tank cap you should use a standard MKP or FKP cap, I have no idea if "audio grade" caps will work.

Rg2 should be in the 4.7 to 10k range in your case. Larger resistor = smaller output.
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hsieh
Sun Nov 20 2011, 10:46AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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But I measure the frequency of my primary LC and I got 620KHz.

I now use a 3nF WIMA FKP1 capacitor.

Input power of my coil is 15W(not include heater).If I put something metal near my breakout point,there is a small arc and input increase to 20W~30W.

I will try 4.7K~10K Rg2 later.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Nov 20 2011, 11:09AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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hsieh, The primary circuit must oscillate below secondary resonance for optimal performance. If your unloaded secondary resonance is 620 kHz, I expect the primary tank to oscillate at ~450 kHz for best performance. (This depends on coupling and other factors)
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