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Newton Brawn
Thu Nov 17 2011, 05:04AM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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TRY THIS


1321506216 3343 FT127965 Oscillator
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Platinum
Thu Nov 17 2011, 01:49PM
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I've tried a couple of different transistors, the transistor is getting warm, and the resistors is getting warm, but no flyback output :/

I've also tried that schematic thanks. The transistors and resistors were getting warm on the schematic you posted.

I've tried another transistor, first seeing if it switches a 12v bulb, it did, but it was dim, I then hooked it up to the flyback and I had a camera flash tube on the flyback outputs to see it easier there was a small spark then nothing, the transistor it's extremely hot, and I now think it's broken.
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Ash Small
Sun Nov 20 2011, 10:55AM
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I remember reading that this circuit doesn.t work with transistors rated at more than ~250V.

The transistor you are using is rated for 700V, or something, isn't it?

(This will also explain why the 12V bulb was dim, I think)
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Platinum
Sun Nov 20 2011, 05:33PM
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Damn, OK thanks anyway, I have resistors on hand, but I do have a TV (80's), which obviously has a flyback transistor.
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Antonio
Sun Nov 20 2011, 05:56PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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There is no problem because of the maximum voltage of the transistor. The problem is that high-voltage transistors may also have low current gain (HFE), and this may impede the oscillation. Anyway, if anything gets too hot to be touched something is seriously wrong.
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Platinum
Sun Nov 20 2011, 06:48PM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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Well the transistor was too hot to touch, very painful is you would keep your finger there.

But I'm going to open an old TV in a bit, see what I get.


Anyway I've got a 85W TV here and I was wondering shall I run the flyback with the TV intact, or take the flyback transistor out with the rest of the goodies?

I just read that you can make a oscilloscope out of a TV? Hmm this current TV I have is quite new although there another 80's TV in my attic, could I make one with the new TV? Do they actually work good?

I've got this out of the TV

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Platinum
Mon Nov 21 2011, 02:03AM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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Antonio wrote ...

There is no problem because of the maximum voltage of the transistor. The problem is that high-voltage transistors may also have low current gain (HFE), and this may impede the oscillation. Anyway, if anything gets too hot to be touched something is seriously wrong.

I just got another transistor from a TV, and again it is making 12v bulb glow dim, and there is a few milivolts on the flyback output, I'm using the transistor from the TV 33ohm and my 270ohm resistor. everything's OK, so how can I resolve this problem?

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Antonio
Mon Nov 21 2011, 02:56AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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It's making the bulb glow dim with what connection? Never connect a multimeter to the HV output. If the device happens to work the multimeter will be immediately destroyed. If it works you will see clearly visible sparks to the ground pin of the flyback.
This transistor is a Darlington pair, two transistors, and needs a higher base-emitter voltage to turn on. You may have to increase the value of the 27-ohm resistor to make it work.
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Newton Brawn
Mon Nov 21 2011, 05:19AM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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Hi Platinum !

How many turns the feedback coil has ?

How many turns the primary coil has ??

Can you take the secondary coil out and run the circuit only with the ferrite, primary and feedback coil ?

Can you take some pictures what you have built ??

What kind of power supply do you have "?

Regards

Newton
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Ash Small
Mon Nov 21 2011, 10:36AM
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Again, the max. voltage of this new transistor is 1400V.

More turns on the feedback coil and/or different resistors 'may' work.

It might be simpler to just buy a more suitable transistor and heatsink.
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