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Conundrum
Mon Jan 06 2014, 05:23AM
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In other news, sales of radiation counters quadruple overnight.

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Proud Mary
Mon Jan 06 2014, 09:50AM
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Worker aghast at shoddy work on Fukushima radioactive water storage tanks Link2

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Ash Small
Mon Jan 06 2014, 10:31AM
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TEPCO has been caught doctoring the readings and downplay the impact of Fukushima by ordering workers at the cleanup sites “to shield their dosimeter with lead covers to make the integral dose look lower than actual.”

Workers confirmed that “they covered the dosimeters with lead cases.”

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Proud Mary
Mon Jan 06 2014, 12:16PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

TEPCO has been caught doctoring the readings and downplay the impact of Fukushima by ordering workers at the cleanup sites “to shield their dosimeter with lead covers to make the integral dose look lower than actual.”

Workers confirmed that “they covered the dosimeters with lead cases.”

Link2

It's hard to know what to make of this. The 'lead covers' could be alpha-beta filters, so the instruments recorded gamma only.

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Proud Mary
Mon Jan 06 2014, 03:52PM
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TEPCO to siphon off radioactive water from tunnels under Fukushima plant Link2

Siphon it to where? More leaky storage tanks perhaps?
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Proud Mary
Mon Jan 06 2014, 05:43PM
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Google Earth has censored its images of the disaster site, which is at 37.421389N 141.0325E.
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Proud Mary
Tue Jan 07 2014, 08:15AM
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Inside Fukushima’s ghost towns Link2
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Uspring
Tue Jan 07 2014, 11:41AM
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Workers confirmed that “they covered the dosimeters with lead cases.”
It's hard to know what to make of this. The 'lead covers' could be alpha-beta filters, so the instruments recorded gamma only.
If you'd want to just block betas, a lighter material than lead would be just as effective and weigh less. A lighter material would also not block gammas as much, providing a more accurate reading. Particularly low energy gammas are blocked well even by thin layers of lead.
Also there is the question, why betas should not be recorded. They are just as harmful to humans as gammas.

During my work at an accelerator lab I never carried a lead shielded dosimeter or even heard of anyone carrying one.

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Proud Mary
Tue Jan 07 2014, 12:42PM
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Uspring wrote ...

Workers confirmed that “they covered the dosimeters with lead cases.”
It's hard to know what to make of this. The 'lead covers' could be alpha-beta filters, so the instruments recorded gamma only.
If you'd want to just block betas, a lighter material than lead would be just as effective and weigh less. A lighter material would also not block gammas as much, providing a more accurate reading. Particularly low energy gammas are blocked well even by thin layers of lead.
Also there is the question, why betas should not be recorded. They are just as harmful to humans as gammas.

During my work at an accelerator lab I never carried a lead shielded dosimeter or even heard of anyone carrying one.



Some dosimeters do come with optional filters. The reason for using them in this case is to conceal the magnitude of the hazard from workers.
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Ash Small
Tue Jan 07 2014, 12:54PM
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Having read the above comments regarding alpha, beta and gamma radiation, I decided to google 'Fukushima neutron' as no-one yet seems to have mentioned neutron beams and Fukushima in the same post.

First thing I found was this: Link2

Wikipedia also reports 'By March 23, 2011, neutron beams had already been observed 13 times at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant.' Link2

More results here: Link2

(I've not yet read this stuff in depth, but thought I'd 'put it out there' anyway)
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