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Bored Chemist
Tue Mar 11 2014, 09:01PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Bored Chemist wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

this is a scary pic.


1393350676 2431 FT127504 Plume

Very scary picture, and misleading.
The bulk of that plume is roughly 100 bq/m^3 of whatever it is they are measuring (it would be better science if they specified that).
Normal sea water contains about 400ppm of potassium
That's 400 g/m3
Each gram gives a natural background of about 30Bq so that's a background of 12000 bq/ m3
In a real picture you simply wouldn't be able to see the (less than 1%) change from the background radioactivity .
If you were swimming in that sea you would be at roughly 1% increased risk from the radiation, compared to the background.

People, on the other hand, contain rather more potassium than sea water (about 1500 ppm vs about 400) so you are more radioactive than sea water by a factor of roughly 4 .
That "contaminated" water is more radioactive by a factor of about 1.01

Does that put this risk in context for you?
How about this? Normal human urine contains about 25 to 125mMol/liter of potassium.
call it 100mMol to keep the arithmetic simple. That's a tenth of a mole in each litre or 4000 mg / litre.
That 4 grams per litre in turn will give rise to 4*30 i.e 120 Bq.
And if you amassed a cubic metre of it, you would have 120000 Bq of radiation from potassium (there are other contributors too)
And that big scary splodge on the picture depicts 100 Bq/m3

It's a thousand fold less radioactive than piddle.
Why are people making a fuss about it?


It sounds like potassium pretty much passes straight through the human body, BC. How do other radioactive isotopes compare?

As I understand it, put simply, the various isotopes in the Pacific off Fukushima attach themselves to algae at the bottom of the food chain, and get more concentrated higher up the food chain, with blue fin tuna at the top. The impression I get is that they don't all pass through the body as easily as potassium does.



The one they measure most often is caesium which acts biologically and environmentally pretty much the same as potassium.
That's part of the reason why I chose potassium to compare it with.
In a way, it matters less than you would expect because the potassium is always there.
Sure, you pee it out, but you eat fresh stuff so you are always exposed to the stuff that's present in your body.
So, if the radiation from Fukushima was, for example, all 90Sr (which sticks in the body quite well) it would be loosely equivalent to the potassium.
Both would always be there doing whatever damage they do.
There's more radiation from the K so it does most of the damage and there's a grand total of nothing you can do about it.


There's a lot of talk about thyroid cancer due to radioactive iodine, and it's a potential problem for people in Japan.
But there are essentially two types of iodine isotopes- those that are stable or very nearly so (127,129) which don't pose a radiological threat and those with half lives less than 60 days - which have all decayed away (3 rears on from the initial incident)

It's difficult to explain why people are still going on about those, unless it's ignorance or scaremongering.
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Proud Mary
Tue Mar 11 2014, 11:32PM
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Fukushima operator may have to dump contaminated water into Pacific The Guardian Link2
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