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How to get straight "sword like" sparks from a tube coil?

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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Sept 24 2011, 10:29AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Roger, yes it's the high power tube but the heater broke during shipping sad If I ever find a similar tube, I will never let anyone ship it to me but I'll transport it by myself instead.

I got another air cooled metal-to-glass tube which should be good for several kilowatts and I'm planning a vttc with it, but for now I'll finish this one.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Sept 25 2011, 12:14PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I think I found the source of the loud buzzing spark - look at this scope shot of plate supply voltage!
(sorry for blurry pic)

1316952810 152 FT124528 A
2kV/div, 5ms/div

There is a voltage spike on the leading edge of the pulse. I thought it was the result of slow reverse recovery time of the microwave oven diodes used, but after replacing them with a string of BY133 diodes the spike is almost the same. I may try using some fast recovery diodes but don't know if it helps.

Any ideas?
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TheBoozer
Sun Sept 25 2011, 12:27PM
TheBoozer Registered Member #1535 Joined: Wed Jun 11 2008, 11:37PM
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I wish swords were repeatable on the DRSSTC : Link2

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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Sept 26 2011, 08:32AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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The main source of the problem has been found - a rf bypass capacitor which had a too high value (~27 nF) was causing the voltage spike. After replacing it with a 3.75 nF one, the spike is much smaller, sparks sound smoother and most likely are less branchy.
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teravolt
Wed Sept 28 2011, 07:23PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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Dr. Kilovolt,I also wonder if it has something to do with half wave rectification as well as a FO of 350 to 450 khz. I have also seen pictures of coils that are not tube based but have half wave rectification and exibit sword sparks. the QCW coil seems to owe part of its sucsess ti its ramped input.
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Sept 28 2011, 08:35PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I know, the spark shape has to do with the rf envelope and frequency. I was just wondering why my sparks were more branchy, as I found it was due to distortion of the rf envelope. But still I don't know why does the rf bypass cap value affect the envelope that much.
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