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Pinky's Brain
Sat Sept 10 2011, 09:09AM
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Why variable coupling? You're not running it in resonance, wouldn't you want the coupling factor to be as high as possible to minimize load dependency of the output voltage?

Could someone educate a layman? Why can't you just wind 11 concentric windings with tapered copper foil and 3+ mil Mylar insulation on a ferrite C core and dump it in oil to get a 10:1 10 kV MF auto-transformer? (Similar design to aircore HV pulse transformers, just with a ferrite core to get a higher coupling factor ... since neither the high power nor the high frequencies of those designs are necessary.)

PS. oops, nevermind ... the low number of primary turns are of course only possible in air core transformers, and it will have far too low reactance :/
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Ash Small
Sat Sept 10 2011, 09:14AM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

I'd be inclined to go for a low power oscillator, a power amplifier
(something like Link2 )
and an air-core transformer with variable coupling.
(something like a Tesla Coil primary : secondary)

Is that not around ten times more powerful that required here? ("10kV at 'a few' mA" is ~30W)
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Microwatt
Sun Sept 11 2011, 02:31AM
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My goal is 20-50w 10kv 1-10mhz
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Sept 11 2011, 10:37AM
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An aircore transformer will have a highly load dependent output voltage ...
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Sulaiman
Sun Sept 11 2011, 12:29PM
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The variable coupling may be useful when you have an unknown load impedance .. load matching.
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Proud Mary
Sun Sept 11 2011, 02:25PM
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Now that you have upped the frequency to 10 MHz, what you are describing is little different to a basic CW HF transmitter.

Here is the 50W HF power amplifier stage of such a transmitter, which must be driven by an oscillator, and followed with an impedance matching circuit to couple the RF energy into the load, as Sulaiman has suggested.


1315750742 543 FT0 Hf 50w Mos Pa
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Sept 11 2011, 03:00PM
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A BN-43-3312 is a 1 inch ferrite bead, I don't think that circuit outputs 10 kV.

Microwatt, does the output voltage have to be regulated or can the load be assumed to be fixed impedance (making the use of a low coupling factor transformer without any further regulation possible).
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Microwatt
Sun Sept 11 2011, 04:14PM
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I don't care i just want sparks at high frequency.
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Ash Small
Sun Sept 11 2011, 07:54PM
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Microwatt wrote ...

I don't care i just want sparks at high frequency.

Microwatt wrote ...

I am experimenting with ionized gas. A very fast rise time and short pulse width will allow a uniform glow discharge to form.

Pinky's question is relevant here. The 'impedance' will depend on various factors, ie gas pressure, etc.

If any of these are variables in your 'experiments' then the impedance will vary.

The impedance will also vary as the discharge forms.

It may be that by varying some of the variables, and you have sufficient power, that you will be able to find 'sweet spots' using a fixed impedance

For example, it may 'light' easier with one combination of variables, and then 'burn' more efficiently at another.

Impedance matching is used to optimise efficiency when the variables change.

You 'might' be able to adjust the variables to match a fixed impedance.

Hope this helps.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Sept 11 2011, 08:29PM
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why not build a small VTTC with a 1-3 MHz secondary, with a horizontal output tube? The circuit can run from rectified or voltage multiplied mains and has very few components. The voltage can be regulated with a variac.
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