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Patric
Sat Aug 06 2011, 03:52PM Print
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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First of all: it works! And now some questions:
- How red may the anode plate from the 811 become?
- I have a couple ceramic disk capacitors, and they work well, but as Herr Zap said, they become slightly warm. What is the perfect cap (with ebay seller) for my Tesla coil?
-This is the most important question! Now I use a voltage regulator trafo, a big thing, but is it possible to use a triac-regulator (ev. zero-crossing)? Then I can build eveything on the same chassis plate.

This is the final circuit:

1312645846 2899 FT0 Tesla811adef


Thanks so much for the help!
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Arcstarter
Sat Aug 06 2011, 04:41PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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At maximum CCS ratings, the plate should show no color, and at maximum ICAS the plate should show no more than a barely perceptible red color. So, try to keep the plate no higher than a little hotter than black.

A good choice for vttc caps are transmitting ceramic doorknob capacitors, or mica capacitors. These are rated for high currents and high frequency. If a doorknob cap is rated for alot of reactive power, eBay sellers will definately let you know. A doorknob capacitor rated for high reactive power will usually be a lower capacitance and/or voltage per unit of size than one that isn't, which definately makes sense. There are a lot of doorknobs that are type KVI-3. They may look like transmitting caps, but they are not rated for reactive power. Type k15y-1 seems to be and there are quite a few on eBay. For example: Link2 The voltage is a bit low, so it would be a good idea to put 2 in series, and then use a few strings in parallel to get the right capacitance for tuning. It may end up being large, but at least it would be a proper tank cap.

A triac regulator should work fine. I don't know if it would effect the sparks, i have never seen what the output of an iron core transformer looked like when a triac dimmer was used, but i think the output would still be semi-sine.
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Patric
Sun Aug 07 2011, 08:52AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Thank you! I think the caps must wait a bit, they are rather expensive! smile
I am beginning to look for a circuit with a triac. I wonder if anybody has done that, a triac regulation for a micro-golf transformer.
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Dr. ISOTOP
Sun Aug 07 2011, 06:28PM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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Micas like this one: Link2 are perfect tank caps, and not very expensive.
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Nah
Sun Aug 07 2011, 09:35PM
Nah Registered Member #3567 Joined: Mon Jan 03 2011, 10:49PM
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I don't understand how you can send $9 to ship something that is less than a pound.
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Patric
Mon Aug 08 2011, 04:21PM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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And while I am asking... is it advisable to make a soft-start for the filament of the 811a?
And can the power be regulated with the grid-resistor? The value is now 20Kohm.
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Nah
Mon Aug 08 2011, 08:18PM
Nah Registered Member #3567 Joined: Mon Jan 03 2011, 10:49PM
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grid leak controls how long the coil is off. The grid leak cap is negative, and if there was no resistor, it would fail to oscillate, because after that cap is negativ, it is going to be negative for a looong time. So, we use the resistor to use up that charge. Depending on how long it takes for the cap to discharge, the tube will be off for a long time. It basically controls the duty cycle, if you can think of it that way. (not really)
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Patric
Tue Aug 09 2011, 09:11AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Thank you! So within limits, I can regulate the power/dissipation of the 811a!
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Nah
Tue Aug 09 2011, 02:25PM
Nah Registered Member #3567 Joined: Mon Jan 03 2011, 10:49PM
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not tooo much, because regardless of any resistor, because the 811a is using a few watts of driving power, and the cap is in the nf, it's only going to be negative for less than a blink of an eye. the grid leak does relate to how many turns the tickler will need.
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Patric
Wed Aug 10 2011, 08:05AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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OK, but how can I regulate the power cheap and easy? Two or three steps is enough.
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