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U4R1A
Sun Jul 17 2011, 09:55PM
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Thanks Herr but I already had the data sheets but they don't mention the plate material or acceptable coloration of the plate while operating which led me to start this thread.
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U4R1A
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How would you recommend measuring plate voltage and current? Voltage through a voltage divider and Current through a CT?
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Arcstarter
Sun Jul 17 2011, 11:28PM
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U4R1A wrote ...

How would you recommend measuring plate voltage and current? Voltage through a voltage divider and Current through a CT?
You could use a shunt resistor for current. You could just use some analog meter (isolated well, of course) on the B+ supply.
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Herr Zapp
Mon Jul 18 2011, 12:35AM
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U4RIA -

Plate current is normally measured with an analog ammeter through the grounded center-tap on the LV secondary of the filament transformer, or through the "grounded" side of the HV DC supply.

Plate voltage is normally measured through a voltage divider using HV-rated resistors, drawing only a few MA.

Check out transmitter and HV DC power supply circuits in any of the ARRL manuals from the early '50's through late '60's for many examples of how plate current and voltage are monitored.

Herr Zapp

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Dr. Spark: The problem is that plate voltage times cathode current does not equal plate dissipation. The usual efficiency of a properly tuned class-C oscillator is ~75%, so the product of Va*Ia might be up to 4 times higher than the actual plate dissipation.
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Herr Zapp
Mon Jul 18 2011, 04:33PM
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Dr. kilovolt -

Common practice is to just directly monitor plate current, keeping it within the tube's maximum rating, and not try to "calculate" the power dissipated in the tube.

Here is a link to the RCA Transmitting Tube Manual TT-4 (1956). Figures 4-14 and 4-15 show power oscillator circuits for dielectric heating and induction heating, and show two different methods for metering plate current.

[http://www.tubebooks.org/tubedata/ tt4.pdf]

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U4R1A
Mon Jul 18 2011, 05:39PM
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There is a lot of interesting information on that site. As far as tuning goes on this VTTC I have the secondary res frequency measured at 409KHz and the primary at 379KHz. I read some where on this site that the primary needs to be around +0%/-10% of the secondary and its better to tune it a little low. Does this info sound correct or should I subtract a little on the primary cap to get the freq closer to 409KHz?
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