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Putting many diodes in series for a HV diode.

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jpsmith123
Mon Jun 27 2011, 06:12PM
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Take a look at this diode:
Link2

It's avalanche rated and they call it a "[f]ast 'soft recovery' rectification diode".

Newark has them in stock $0.0155 each (qty. 100 - 249).

It's a 2 amp diode with Ifsm = 50 Amps. It also has a relatively low Vf (1V typical @ 1A).

(Apparently the price you pay for a lower Vf is a longer recovery time, which in this case is 300 nS, but I think that should be fast enough for what most us are doing).

This diode seems like the ideal part to string together for a robust high power multiplier. I think I'm going to get some of these myself.

Patrick wrote ...

Proud Mary wrote ...

You can calculate XL @ 100 kHz once you have made decisions over d and the length of each diode element i.e. including its wire and termination i.e. to arrive at the total number of turns N.

In the meantime, I will try and fish out some old papers where the helical diode units are described in more detail than I can now remember. ('Ere long we shall have regressed to the Voltaic Pile and the Electrophorus! smile )
Im more worried about the " snapy-ness " of the switching action with so many diodes in series. Instead of just the simple impedance.
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Patrick
Tue Jun 28 2011, 12:17AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

Take a look at this diode:
Link2

It's avalanche rated and they call it a "[f]ast 'soft recovery' rectification diode".

Newark has them in stock $0.0155 each (qty. 100 - 249).

It's a 2 amp diode with Ifsm = 50 Amps. It also has a relatively low Vf (1V typical @ 1A).

(Apparently the price you pay for a lower Vf is a longer recovery time, which in this case is 300 nS, but I think that should be fast enough for what most us are doing).

This diode seems like the ideal part to string together for a robust high power multiplier. I think I'm going to get some of these myself.

I may buy some ofthese just to see, but i need them to operate at 100kHz square wave too, so i dont know 300ns is 4 times slower than the HER108's or SF4007's.
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jpsmith123
Tue Jun 28 2011, 12:31AM
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They also have these:
Link2

They're faster (100 nS), but they're also more money: $31.00 for a hundred. And of course Vf is a little higher.
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Patrick
Tue Jun 28 2011, 02:08AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

They also have these:
Link2

They're faster (100 nS), but they're also more money: $31.00 for a hundred. And of course Vf is a little higher.
im looking at all of them, but the SF4007's seem to be what most peeps are using.
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jpsmith123
Tue Jun 28 2011, 03:20AM
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With the exception of Trr (75 vs 100 ns) the BYT56M diode looks all around much better to me, and it's a lot cheaper too (going by Newark's prices).
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Patrick
Tue Jun 28 2011, 03:41AM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

With the exception of Trr (75 vs 100 ns) the BYT56M diode looks all around much better to me, and it's a lot cheaper too (going by Newark's prices).
They do look excellent, but im still trying to figure out the "TL" means, in that thermal resistance graph.
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jpsmith123
Tue Jun 28 2011, 04:07AM
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You're referring to Fig 1?

They're showing how the junction-to-ambient thermal resistance varies as a function of lead length, with "Tl = constant" meaning that the temperature at the ends of the leads (however long they are) is held at a constant value.
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Patrick
Tue Jun 28 2011, 04:58AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

You're referring to Fig 1?

They're showing how the junction-to-ambient thermal resistance varies as a function of lead length, with "Tl = constant" meaning that the temperature at the ends of the leads (however long they are) is held at a constant value.
Thats what I think, so I like these, when I get the money.


Also, where can i get iso propanol?
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Patrick
Wed Jun 29 2011, 03:25PM
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I stilll havent found a good source for iso propanol... any suggestions?
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Killa-X
Wed Jun 29 2011, 03:36PM
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Not fully proud of my 25KV fullwave 1A rectifier, because its large, since i stuffed my series diode inside 1/2" PVC pipe, 10" long, and painted it to LOOK like diodes. I put 25 1N4007's in series as close as possible. Then I put hotglue below and above, so the diodes where incased in hotglue, which then was shoved in PVC pipe for looks. Works great.

1309361764 1643 FT118239 Img 1317

1309361764 1643 FT118239 Img 1322

1309361764 1643 FT118239 Img 1347

Now obviously this take up more room because its a long strand, but it would work good for a large CW or something i guess, making PVC shape diodes. Plus you could oil fill them too.
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