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Shrad
Mon Jun 13 2011, 08:28PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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still not

I'll need to mount my variac and slowly ramp voltage to see what's going on

the pity is I think I have an issue with my PLL, I can't get the small streamers back with a single switch...
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Arcstarter
Tue Jun 14 2011, 02:41AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Shrad wrote ...

still not

I'll need to mount my variac and slowly ramp voltage to see what's going on

the pity is I think I have an issue with my PLL, I can't get the small streamers back with a single switch...
Gah, PLLs are always a pain in the ass tongue. If you have a scope with 2 channels/probes, you should probably try to tune the phase (the pot on the VCO if you use the same kind of schematic i am used to). If you are running your secondary out of phase... Well, i think i need not explain.

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Daniel Kramnik
Tue Jun 14 2011, 03:01AM
Daniel Kramnik Registered Member #3885 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 12:47AM
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Do you have insulating pads between your transistors and heatsinks? I can't quite tell from the pictures. If not, then that would definitely prevent the bridge from functioning. Try switching to two separate heatsinks without insulating pads to get better thermal performance without shorting the MOSFETs' drains.

What type of diodes are you using in your bridge? Are you sure that they are ultra fast recovery diodes rated to withstand the voltage and current that you will be putting through them? I use MUR860 in my SSTC.

If it still doesn't work, then the best course of action would probably be to rig up a super simple 74HC14 antenna feedback driver just to test the bridge. That way, you could narrow down the problem to either the bridge or the PLL.
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Dr Hankenstein
Tue Jun 14 2011, 06:27AM
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Here's some reading up you may want to do on the 4046 in this article. At least this is how I approached my project and tuning the PLL: Link2 Good luck, Hank
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Shrad
Tue Jun 14 2011, 09:26AM
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Thanks Dr

I had forgotten that website and it sure is a nice ressource... I think I'll redesign my PLL driver and bridge based on more resources and readings

The understanding of the 4046 is indeed the key to success I think, and I need more tweaking points in order to tune it to the best

as for heatsinks and mosfets/igbts, I use a single heatsink but it has top quality insulator pads with arctic silver between each interface

diodes are ultra fast schottky rectifiers (20 or 40ns, I dont recall well) rated 400V 16A in a TO220 body (have a tray of them bought 5€ at a flea market)

Now the thing to do is read about that 4046 more deeply, and design something more flexible (I was thinking the simpler the better, but it's not always the case)

I will also have some read about coupling and primary positioning, as I believe the more coupled the better with these kind of coils

I have hope, because at 200VDC, just before the single switch popped, the streamers were 1 inch or something of very nice purple swords

EDIT: it seems, by that failure, that the PLL was in fact locked on an harmonic, why I had moderate breakout and instant destruction of the bridge

I'll make another driver with plenty of test points, and SMD layout to get better repartition of the components
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Inducktion
Tue Jun 14 2011, 08:04PM
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I thought Schottky's had no reverse recovery time...
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Arcstarter
Wed Jun 15 2011, 01:41AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Inducktion wrote ...

I thought Schottky's had no reverse recovery time...
I think he me have mistaken it for a schottky or something, because schottky diodes are rarely 400v. The highest i have seen is 200, unless they are silicon carbide.
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Shrad
Thu Jun 16 2011, 08:56PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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sorry, you are right

I either misread a datasheet or read a bugged one as they are 100V ones

data: Link2

I'll have to find some better diodes

I won't have much time this next month to work on my coil as I'll be very busy at work (at least two week of work 3 hours away from home, lodging there etc..)
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