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Adam Munich

Mon May 09 2011, 11:27PM

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Does this not violate it?

Since those animal activist people are being monitored, I wonder who else is...

Coronafix

Mon May 09 2011, 11:38PM

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Didn't you know your country had become a police state?

Adam Munich

Mon May 09 2011, 11:53PM

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Yes I am well aware of that, and what makes me angry is that the people let it happen.

At least the patriot act is expiring soon...

James

Tue May 10 2011, 12:53AM

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Won't they just renew it? Whether it violates the constitution unfortunately makes little difference in many cases, especially in areas where the constitutional wording is ambiguous. It sucks, but what are you gonna do about it?

It's a point I've been trying to make for a long time. The real BS isn't covered up by wacky conspiracies, it's blatantly done right in front of us. People come up with reasons to justify it that a large portion of the population buys right into. People in general utterly fail at risk assessment and will hand over personal rights for protection from some perceived risk, while doing many other things that are far more likely to cause actual harm.

Example, look at how many people are all for the TSA body scanners but just try and tell them to put down their stupid cell phone while driving.

Patrick

Tue May 10 2011, 01:51AM

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Grenadier wrote ...

At least the patriot act is expiring soon...

Thats what you think. ... Demican, Republicrat, there all the same. Obama is just as happy to see government power expand and personal freedom retreat as Bush.

Your right to post that article, if we know, we can watch.

Every time one of those devices is found, they should attach it to a taxi or bus.

James

Tue May 10 2011, 03:37AM

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Unfortunately shutting down something like that is political suicide. As long as there exist a significant number of people who believe it does good, the guy who gets rid of it takes the blame when some future event does happen, which of course is only a matter of time with or without.

Patrick

Tue May 10 2011, 03:58AM

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James wrote ...

The real BS isn't covered up by wacky conspiracies, it's blatantly done right in front of us.

you are totally right on this point.

Carbon_Rod

Tue May 10 2011, 07:43AM

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Now standard on late model cars...

These types of policies have been abused since the invention of law.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"?

People should be rather concerned if they spot some unidentified creep on their property rigging something that looks like an IED to a vehicle.

Its a sleazy policy for delusional minds, but it is the law for now...

Ash Small

Tue May 10 2011, 09:52AM

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They can track you through your cell phone anyway, as mentioned in the links posted by Carbon Rod.

(For years I never registered my cell phones, but eventually had to give my number to various government departments. I also had to register it before I could access Ebay when using it for internet access. Ebay is defined as 'adult content' because you have to be 18 to buy or sell (at least here, anyway). It's also now 'linked' to my debit card, so I can buy credit easier (as they had my number anyway).

These days, with number plate (license plate) recognition cameras, cctv, and automatic surveillance of E-mails, text messages and phone calls they can track you anyway without attaching tracker devices to your car.

The tracker devices are just a way of them reminding you that 'Big Brother is watching you!'

Hon1nbo

Tue May 10 2011, 01:58PM

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A little note, the legality of the use of GPS Trackers is not from the Federal Level, but on the State level here in the USA.

The Bill of Rights, aka the inclusion of the fourth amendment, is a list of the things the FEDERAL government cannot do, but was only applied selectively to states (e.g: why a state cannot endorse a religion directly), but some of them (like the fourth) were applied a little differently being that each state can determine what constitutes a search, a seizure, or a warrant.

In the case of the animal activist and the Arab-American college student live in places where it is much easier to legally place a tracker (as their states have deemed that GPS tracking is no different than an officer tailing a suspect), whereas other jurisdictions have made the distinction that using a computer system that is autonomous would allow much more data than is necessary for the purpose and would be much more powerful than a tailing officer with the computer able to compile and analyze the data on its own (ex: marking of frequent visits, etc). The line gets further blurred in jurisdictions on whether or not placing the tracker on the suspects property requires a warrant, some places yes and some places no.

This matter is going to the supreme court sooner or later, and my personal guess is that it will go the way of Wiretapping, easy for the feds to do but for longer purposes (ex more than a couple of weeks) evidence that the tracking has provided useful information that, on its own merit, could afford a warrant than one will be issued.

Furthermore, while it is possible the warrantless tracking would continue, unlike the wiretapping where people can not see such a thing (and therefore ignore it easier as the text on the news ticker), public opinion of a PHYSICAL tracker will likely be much different.

-Jimmy

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