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Patrick

Tue May 03 2011, 03:51AM

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jpsmith123 wrote ...

As I said, I'm skeptical myself. I posted it here because it may be interesting to follow and see what happens with this - whether as a world changing new technology or a daring fraud.

Either as a fraud or as a real device, it has merit to be discussed here on the forum. As long as we dont advocate for or try to spew free energy crap, I think we are not in violation of the forum rules.

I enjoy batting around unique ideas as Proud Mary says, many are mis labled and thus doomed.

EDIT:

Says peer review was rejected, they have no explaination for how it works. Patent also "partially rejected"....

If they cant explain how it works... how did they know how to build it? just randomly throw stuff together till they " invented " a new device?

sounds bogus, also [ Nickel + Hydrogen = Copper ] and yet they wont allow gamma ray measurement?
Nickel to copper, wow. If true that would rewrite every nuclear physics and nuclear chemistry book ... ever! without using a stars' gravity!

Proud Mary

Tue May 03 2011, 08:07AM

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James wrote ...

This just sounds way too much like a classic investment scam.

I think so too.

Why does the great trial have to involve 300 machines producing 1 MW? Why not just have it boil enough water to make a nice pot of tea?

In Laurel and Hardy's A Haunting We Will Go, the daft duo are conned into buying a money-making machine called the inflato:

jpsmith123

Tue May 03 2011, 12:48PM

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It certainly may be a classic investment scam, but let me be devil's advocate and address some of your points.

Given the anomalous nature of "cold fusion", you can't blame the inventor for not knowing exactly how it works. If anything, his candor in admitting that he doesn't know may support his credibility. Nor can you say, "how did he know how to build it?"; as lots of discoveries are made unintentionally. There's enough literature available on the subject of cold fusion that someone could know generally how to proceed, and then by trial and error stumble onto something.

Lastly, what I want to know is: how did he manage to fool a bunch of ostensibly competent physicists into mistaking 0.3 kw for 3 kw? If that's the case that would seem to be quite an accomplishment in itself.

tarakan2

Thu May 05 2011, 01:16AM

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Italian mafia wants funding for pseudoscience.

jpsmith123

Mon May 16 2011, 08:05PM

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An update: Rossi now has a U.S. partner.

Pinky's Brain

Mon May 16 2011, 08:52PM

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A potential scenario ...

Someone claims some near free energy device and demonstrates a black box and finds third parties to russle up investors. Eventually the fraud comes out and he gets send to jail for a while. The third parties claim plausible deniability and keep all the money they skimmed off the top of the people they defrauded ... original fraudster gets out of jail and is helped back on his feet with some money by his old friends.

Patrick

Mon May 16 2011, 10:44PM

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Craptacular ... Im going to call this busted. If this were real it would have changed the world by now.

If im wrong and this is real, and solves all of the worlds energy needs, then i will be happily appologetic and bow down to a man far greater and better then I.

Coronafix

Sat May 21 2011, 04:29AM

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It seems that they tested it again.

Pinky's Brain

Sun May 22 2011, 09:00AM

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Why not just use a large insulated water tank to feed the device and just pipe the output back through a perforated pipe at the bottom? Energy measurement becomes trivial.

The energy measurement as is is hopelessly failure prone ... but then it's probably meant to be, plausible deniability and all.

Patrick

Tue May 24 2011, 02:59AM

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2 hours produced 5.6 kWh and a 3 hour test produced 6.9 kWh, so 2.8 and 2.3 kWh per hour.

I watched the video and read the newer article, if "Ny Teknik" is a credible objective reveiwer, and compentent, then i find that video interesting, there are a million ways a scam artist could be putting power into those devices if that table doesnt move. And i really hope the outside observers checked that table to make sure it isnt holding 200 lbs of lithium ion batteries.

It is interesting to see a video of a walk around, until fully explained im going to stay on the scam side of the debate. I just dont see how he can claim so much, with so little supporting evidence, and to build a 1 MW one by october? assuming volume is important, 50 cc for 6 kWh, then 1Mw would be about 8400 cc in volume, asuming all that this just scales up linearly.

Interesting, but ive seen too many of the stan meyers scams get this far. Until the interior is examined i just dont think thermal tests will prove much.

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