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James

Mon May 02 2011, 10:38PM

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What would I do? I would first conclude that there is something wrong with my measurements, calculation, or procedure and attempt to rule that out.

Failing that, I would document my findings and approach reputable researchers in hopes of finding someone to replicate my results. If it does turn out to be something valid, I still have documentation proving that I discovered it first. If somebody copies it and starts earning money, I can still sue them for stealing my idea.

When Edison perfected the lightbulb, invented the gramophone, Tesla invented the alternator and induction motor, Bell and his telephone, etc not one of these things had a secret component. They were presented as working prototypes, documented and explained. All of these people profited enormously from their inventions and none of them were technologically difficult to duplicate.

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Additionally in this case, even the inventor seems to not fully understand how his own invention works, and they claim to be deploying commercially produced models within a few months? What about safety? Maintenance? How much does it cost to operate? What sort of waste is produced? What components are consumable? What could happen when something goes wrong? Cooling fails, something leaks, some sort of contamination gets in? What are potential results of a software bug or hardware failure in the control system? They are talking about producing hundreds of kilowatts of power, that is a tremendous amount of potential energy.

The consumer products we create at my job operate at power levels many orders of magnitude smaller and have no mysterious chemistry going on, yet it still takes months to years to go from initial prototype to finished ready to sell product including the various certification and safety tests it must pass.

jpsmith123

Mon May 02 2011, 11:49PM

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I think it's accepted that the inventor doesn't understand how the thing works (nor anyone else for that matter).

The points regarding units being supposedly installed in Greece sound valid to me. I don't know why anyone would agree to do it with so many apparent unknowns. Perhaps it is intended to be more of a technical demonstration of feasibility than anything else.

In any case, as I already said, I'm skeptical. My problem is that I find it equally hard to believe that several apparently competent physicists would be unable to detect an obvious fraud or that their measurements would be so bad that they cannot differentiate 3 kw from 0.3 kw

Patrick

Tue May 03 2011, 12:57AM

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If it isnt peer reviewed... its crap, till proven otherwise.

The burden is on him to prove it works, not on us to believe him.
(Really this sounds like a green scam to entangle the investors as others have said.)

Coronafix

Tue May 03 2011, 01:19AM

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It is apperently creating copper as a byproduct of the reaction between the hydrogen and nickel. This would be an obvious sign of a nuclear process going on.
There is more on it at peswiki

Patrick

Tue May 03 2011, 01:22AM

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Coronafix wrote ...

It is apperently creating copper as a byproduct of the reaction between the hydrogen and nickel. This would be an obvious sign of a nuclear process going on.
There is more on it at peswiki

Im still reading the published docs, but id like to see how much Hydrogen is being added, this if it is generating excess energy it could as others have said, be just simple exothermic chemistry. As in Hydrogen + magic = success.

If the copper claim is true it would take a great deal of supporting eveidence for elemental transmutation, not just there saying so.

EDIT: who was the guy in the early 90's, who built a go cart powered by "water fuel" wanted to drive accros the US? his followers beleive he was assinated. his name is on the tip of my tongue dam it!

EDIT: Stanley Meyers? Was that it?

EDIT: Yep.

jpsmith123

Tue May 03 2011, 01:54AM

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Well in the sense that some ostensibly disinterested physicists have been watching it operate for many hours (while it produced significant excess heat), without seeing any fraud, it has been "peer reviewed".

Patrick wrote ...

If it isnt peer reviewed... its crap, till proven otherwise.

The burden is on him to prove it works, not on us to believe him.
(Really this sounds like a green scam to entangle the investors as others have said.)

James

Tue May 03 2011, 02:32AM

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By who? Has anybody besides the inventor duplicated the results of the experiment? Who are these guys who witnessed it? Are they well known? They could be, I don't know, I've never heard of them.

It is possible, but it is more likely to be fraud, so I will assume fraud until proven otherwise, at which point it would be a monumental discovery.

Patrick

Tue May 03 2011, 02:50AM

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If even some of what they claim is true this would be world changing discovery, but weve heard this before, a la Stan Meyer.

James

Tue May 03 2011, 03:09AM

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This just sounds way too much like a classic investment scam.

There are countless free energy claims, and when the con runs off with the money, there are usually claims that they were paid off or assassinated by big bad business, government, some secret organization, etc. It's the same mentality that allows wild conspiracy theories to take on a life of their own.

In reality, it's impossible to shut down an idea or technique. Just look at all the billions of dollars the RIAA and MPAA have spent trying to kill peer-to-peer sharing of their content, yet it still thrives. If there was a 100 mpg carburetor, auto manufactures striving to meet ever more stringent fuel economy numbers would be all over it, the first one to get wind of it would make the inventor an offer they couldn't refuse, and then dominate the world market. Any electrical utility would be all over a legitimate source of plentiful cheap energy that they could resell at a profit, using their grid network to distribute. The government of any nation would be insane to suppress a technology like this, because like an abundant source of any other valuable resource, it would provide vast power, not to mention tax revenue. Unfortunately those pesky laws of nature always win eventually.

In the end, it boils down to the old saying that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. There's a sucker born every minute, and people want to believe. Everyone knows about con artists and yet thousands of otherwise intelligent people still continue to get duped.

jpsmith123

Tue May 03 2011, 03:35AM

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Here's the Wikipedia page about it, which gives some recent history:

As I said, I'm skeptical myself. I posted it here because it may be interesting to follow and see what happens with this - whether as a world changing new technology or a daring fraud.

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