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Steve Conner
Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:02PM
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Very nice! But what exactly is "green house foil"?
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radhoo
Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:12PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
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Steve McConner wrote ...

Very nice! But what exactly is "green house foil"?

Very good question, unfortunately garden related stores do not mix with chemistry (not into details anyway), so I really don't know what this polymer is. what I know is that it's some kind of plastic foil, used to make Green houses (for growing plants).
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If someone knows the chemical used for it, or the scientific name of this polymer I'd be happy to include that info in my article.

A picture with this foil:

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Ash Small
Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:16PM
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Any plastic sheet that doesn't stick to epoxy will do. I think polythene (polyethylene) is one example. (ie poly-tunnel)

EDIT: You can also use wax or a 'mold release agent' (usually a spray) to prevent the epoxy from bonding to the plastic.
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radhoo
Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:39PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Any plastic sheet that doesn't stick to epoxy will do. I think polythene (polyethylene) is one example. (ie poly-tunnel)

EDIT: You can also use wax or a 'mold release agent' (usually a spray) to prevent the epoxy from bonding to the plastic.
Some very good observations, I do believe other plastics would do, but careful about shopping bags: they have colorants that might be slightly conductive and could get into the epoxy layer, the same thing for the other chemicals (mold release agent).
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Steve Conner
Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:55PM
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OK, so it's polyethylene plastic sheet. That makes sense, PE is almost impossible to glue so it would make a good "mould release". It's also a good dielectric, so who cares if it won't come off.

Some other members here have spent about a year and 100 posts trying to make the best grooved coil former, before finally running out of money, you did it in a day with some cardboard and glue. Good stuff. smile
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radhoo
Sun Mar 27 2011, 09:21AM
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Thanks, Steve.
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Sulaiman
Sun Mar 27 2011, 09:54AM
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Nice bit of winding.
just a small point, the wires have a mechanical weak-spot where they enter/exit the winding,
fix the core and winding terminations quickly before they break, it's annoying!
A small polythene kitchen chopping board is versatile.
(self-tapping screws, nuts'n'bolts or cable-ties through drilled holes etc.)
Very good insulation but can't be glued to and it sags a little.
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vasil
Sun Mar 27 2011, 01:33PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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Well done radhoo!
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radhoo
Sun Mar 27 2011, 02:10PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
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Thanks Vasil,

@Sulaiman, the terminals are actually ticker wire, you can see them in the photos - getting inside the coil where some extra epoxy fixes them in place : Link2
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James
Fri Apr 01 2011, 03:11AM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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Steve McConner wrote ...

OK, so it's polyethylene plastic sheet. That makes sense, PE is almost impossible to glue so it would make a good "mould release". It's also a good dielectric, so who cares if it won't come off.

Some other members here have spent about a year and 100 posts trying to make the best grooved coil former, before finally running out of money, you did it in a day with some cardboard and glue. Good stuff. smile



Yeah you can get that stuff from the paint department of just about any hardware store, it's sold as drop cloth. It really is just about impossible to glue, I tried! Silicone, epoxy, other various glues, they just peel right off.
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