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Duality
Thu Mar 17 2011, 06:35PM Print
Duality Registered Member #1951 Joined: Sun Feb 01 2009, 01:59PM
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hi,

i have build a sstc off off a ne555 design
i pulse the primary via a mosfet, that get it's signal from a ne555.

but the strange thing is when i crank up the voltage to about 30-40 volts it stops and shorts the mosfet, and meens the ne555 is to hot to touch.

what could be the reason this is happening?
i have build a sstc from steve's site, the mini sstc, but that project was a long time ago beside's i could get it to work, and now i want to go back to basic's so i build a sstc with a ne555
i have not many ne555's left so :S

any idea why?

if you need a picture of my setup i'll make one :)
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Crunchy Frog
Thu Mar 17 2011, 07:27PM
Crunchy Frog Registered Member #2422 Joined: Tue Oct 06 2009, 02:41AM
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What fet are you using? It's probably dying from either overcurrent or too much dissipation from not switching fully / fast enough.
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Duality
Thu Mar 17 2011, 07:34PM
Duality Registered Member #1951 Joined: Sun Feb 01 2009, 01:59PM
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it's the irf460,
i've discoverd that when the mosfet's die they kill the ne555 :S

i am doing this with a variac, to control how much it gets, it's on a heatsink doesn't really get warm after it has died.
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ScotchTapeLord
Thu Mar 17 2011, 07:59PM
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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Pictures and schematics would be helpful.

If it is just a 555 timer controlling a single switch then a possibility is that your FET is dying and shorting your 555's output to ground.
Another possibility is that there is noise feeding into your 555 causing it to latch up or something silly like that, making the 555 die stick the FET high, taking the FET down with it.

The NE555 doesn't have a great max frequency rating, so that could be to blame, also. Fres?
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Adam Munich
Thu Mar 17 2011, 08:18PM
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The 555 has a maximum voltage of about 15V IIRC, though it works up to about 25V. The mosfet's gate must not be more than about 20V away from the source, and maybe that is why it dies when you crank up the voltage.

Use a 555 and a high side gate driver IC.
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ScotchTapeLord
Thu Mar 17 2011, 09:49PM
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I had assumed that you were cranking up the voltage across the primary and not the logic. Logic has to be operated off a steady low voltage supply.

If Grenadier is right then Grenadier is right.
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James
Fri Mar 18 2011, 12:14AM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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Scope the waveform on the mosfet gate and drain. You *do* have an oscilloscope right? IMO a scope is a mandatory tool for any sort of SSTC or high power SMPS development.
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Goodchild
Fri Mar 18 2011, 03:11AM
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

The 555 has a maximum voltage of about 15V IIRC, though it works up to about 25V. The mosfet's gate must not be more than about 20V away from the source, and maybe that is why it dies when you crank up the voltage.

Use a 555 and a high side gate driver IC.

I would agree with this, also the 555 has no were near enough current to drive a MOSFET like this, you need a dedicated gate drive.
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Duality
Fri Mar 18 2011, 12:17PM
Duality Registered Member #1951 Joined: Sun Feb 01 2009, 01:59PM
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schematic's? i don't have sorry, it's just a ne555 switching a mosfet :)
well i calculated my coil about 480khz fres.

yes i have a scoop! lol i have build sstc's before, it's just so long ago i don't really know my stuff anymore :)
i'll scoop the wave form, i'll post pictures of it :)

and if i don't have a drive ic? can i make my own? i have some fets from a lot of tv sets, that be usefull?

edit: i forgot to ask, scoop with or without load?
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Duality
Fri Mar 18 2011, 04:02PM
Duality Registered Member #1951 Joined: Sun Feb 01 2009, 01:59PM
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hmm i'am out of 555's :(,
now i need to find a simple other way to build a socilator :S
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