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Ash Small

Thu Apr 14 2011, 05:45PM

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Patrick wrote ...

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What is so dangerous is that these political, activist, protest groups and such, that make these wild claims are contributing or at least influencing public policy, which should be based on real science and fact. instead pro-nuclear groups and anti-nuclear groups are allowed to have the same wheight and credibility as real scientists/engineering people and groups with real peer reviewed original work.

Public policy is based on what wins votes, not science.....(oh, and lobbying from big business, free lunch..... anyone?)

(and since when did George Bush.....or any of the others.......understand anything about science anyway?.....)

Nicko

Fri Apr 15 2011, 06:12AM

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Ash Small wrote ...

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(and since when did George Bush.....or any of the others.......understand anything about science anyway?.....)

Maybe not in the US, but Thatcher (like her or loathe her) had a degree in chemistry from Oxford - she also qualified as a barrister (*not* a barista

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Ash Small

Fri Apr 15 2011, 08:43AM

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Nicko wrote ...

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Maybe not in the US, but Thatcher (like her or loathe her) had a degree in chemistry from Oxford - she also qualified as a barrister (*not* a barista

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Thanks for reminding me Nicko. I understand her PhD involved seeing how much air you can pump into 'soft' ice cream or instant whips (anyone remember 'Angel's Delight'?) and still get people to buy it.

But I fear I may be wandering slightly off-topic here.......

Proud Mary

Fri Apr 15 2011, 09:15AM

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Ash Small wrote ...

I understand her PhD involved seeing how much air you can pump into 'soft' ice cream or instant whips

Thatcher left Oxford with a second class BSc. Later she received one of those ornamental no-study no-dissertation no-exam MAs automatically awarded by Oxford to anyone who applies and pays a fee seven years after matriculation.

Steve Conner

Fri Apr 15 2011, 11:01AM

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Up here, she was known as Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher, due to her success in getting free milk for primary school kids abolished. Not to mention other great boosts to the Scottish economy like closing the Ravenscraig steel mill.

To keep with the nuclear theme, somewhere there is a newspaper photo of her standing right on the core lid of the Torness nuclear reactor, at the opening ceremony. I'm sure the Labour-voting half of Scotland was willing it to explode. But even that probably wouldn't have stopped Thatcher, the radiation would just have made her stronger.

edit: found it!

Ash Small

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Proud Mary wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

I understand her PhD involved seeing how much air you can pump into 'soft' ice cream or instant whips

My mistake, PM.

This is from her wikipedea page:

"In preparation for the election Roberts moved to Dartford, where she supported herself by working as a research chemist for J. Lyons and Co. in Hammersmith, part of a team developing emulsifiers for ice cream"

It was after graduating, not 'post graduate'.

Proud Mary

Fri Apr 15 2011, 12:28PM

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Ash Small wrote ...

Proud Mary wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

I understand her PhD involved seeing how much air you can pump into 'soft' ice cream or instant whips

I shouldn't be surprised if she had trough loads of honorary doctorates awarded by torture regimes and client states.

Proud Mary

Sun Apr 17 2011, 09:03AM

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Operator announces plan to end Japan nuclear crisis

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The Independent on Sunday
Sunday, 17 April 2011

The operator of the nuclear plant leaking radiation in northern Japan said it aims to bring the crisis under control within six to nine months.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. chairman Tsunehisa Katsumata told a news conference today that the company had come up with a phased plan to end the crisis and allow residents who have been evacuated from the area around the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant to return home.

He said that in the first three months, the company hopes to steadily reduce the level of leaking radiation. Three to six months after that it hopes to get the release of radioactive materials under control.

The plant was damaged by a catastrophic earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan on March 11.

"We sincerely apologise for causing troubles," Katsumata said. "We are doing our utmost to prevent the crisis from further worsening."

Frustrations have been mounting over TEPCO's failure to resolve the nuclear crisis.

"We would like to see evacuees return to their homes as early as possible," Katsumata said.

The company is focusing on cooling the reactors and spent fuel pools, decontaminating water that has been contaminated by radiation, mitigating the release of radiation into the atmosphere and soil and measuring and reducing the amount of radiation effecting the evacuation area, he said.

TEPCO Vice President Sakae Muto said that in addition to covering the reactor buildings, the company will also work with authorities to decontaminate areas affected by the radiation.

Bored Chemist

Sun Apr 17 2011, 10:23AM

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Just for the record, Maggie is, as far as I'm aware, the only ex- Oxford pm who was not awarded an honorary doctorate by her former university she was actually turned down for one. In no small part this is because she had the front to ask for one shortly after cutting funding to education.
also, re "Thatcher left Oxford with a second class BSc. Later she received one of those ornamental no-study no-dissertation no-exam MAs automatically awarded by Oxford to anyone who applies and pays a fee seven years after matriculation."
For a start she got a BA not a BSc.

At the time she would have had to demonstrate that she had done some sort of research using her degree in order to get the MA. It's not just a matter of paying the fee ( though it's close; they are not fussy about the research).
It is notable that her research was into methods to add emulsifiers to ice cream. The point of this was to enable the manufacturers to add more air to the product. If it was sold by weight they probably wouldn't bother with doing that. As it is, her work let them sell fresh air at the price of ice cream.

(end of rant)

Proud Mary

Sun Apr 17 2011, 11:21AM

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Bored Chemist wrote ...

re "Thatcher left Oxford with a second class BSc. Later she received one of those ornamental no-study no-dissertation no-exam MAs automatically awarded by Oxford to anyone who applies and pays a fee seven years after matriculation....
...At the time she would have had to demonstrate that she had done some sort of research using her degree in order to get the MA. It's not just a matter of paying the fee ( though it's close; they are not fussy about the research).

I have not been able to find any reference to any effort requisite to getting an Oxbridge MA beyond paying a set fee, including a search of news media from the universities themselves, such as this very recent piece from Varsity

Cambridge MA award under threat from MPs | Varsity Online

As for Roberts/Thatcher's bachelor's degrees, did you mean that her B.Sc was not a Second, or her BA, neither, or both?

Finally, Thatcher has most certainly been awarded honorary doctorates by tin-pot torture regimes. For example, on 25 Nov 1991 she accepted a D.Phil. from the University of Kuwait. See Margaret Thatcher Foundation archives here:

and on 20 May 1991 we find her accepting an honorary doctorate of laws at Rand Afrikaans University, addressing the tottering aparthied princes with a few words in Afrikaans to make her political sympathies clear. see: Margaret Thatcher Foundation archives:

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