Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 36
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Barry (70)
Snowcat (37)
wylie (43)


Next birthdays
02/01 Barry (70)
02/01 Snowcat (37)
02/01 wylie (43)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: Tesla Coils
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

DRSSTC: Feeback problem (Steve's driver)

 1 2 3 
Move Thread LAN_403
hv-friekie
Sun Jan 23 2011, 12:37PM
hv-friekie Registered Member #2273 Joined: Thu Aug 06 2009, 07:02PM
Location:
Posts: 37
I just firgured out that the point which the tc stops working is at 600µs on time.
Don't no if that does say anything about whre the problem is...
Back to top
Linas
Sun Jan 23 2011, 01:30PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
Location: Vilnius, Lithuania
Posts: 721
hv-friekie wrote ...

I just firgured out that the point which the tc stops working is at 600µs on time.
Don't no if that does say anything about whre the problem is...
RC delay time is close to that number neutral (~400us)
Back to top
hv-friekie
Sat Jan 29 2011, 11:36AM
hv-friekie Registered Member #2273 Joined: Thu Aug 06 2009, 07:02PM
Location:
Posts: 37
Hey guys,

I made a little bit of progress. I removed the zenerdiodes which clamp the voltage after the ct and now i get continuous feedback at a high on time, i get about 15cm sparks into a grounded metal rod.
The only problem is that i can't increase the ontime slowly and watch the sparks, i have to start the interrupter with a high on time. This means when i decrease the on time to a specific point, the teslacoil stops working again at it will not start again until i restarted my driver.
Maybe its also interesting that the teslacoil starts to stutter when i decrease the on time to much before it completly stops running.

Can anyone help me please?

Back to top
Linas
Sat Jan 29 2011, 12:29PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
Location: Vilnius, Lithuania
Posts: 721
hm, thats not right.
My coil can start resonate even at 0,6% interrupter on time .
Can you check Feedback signal at that point when you start to lose the signal, if its below 3V, that means feedback is not strong enough.
Even at 0.6% you must get 5V on logic input.
One more thing, ar you using right core for CT ?
( best for me is 3E25)
Back to top
hv-friekie
Sun Jan 30 2011, 10:01AM
hv-friekie Registered Member #2273 Joined: Thu Aug 06 2009, 07:02PM
Location:
Posts: 37
The core material shouldn't be the problem, i am using a ferrit toroid which is suitable for high frequencies.

I will test this with my scope. When i have this problem that the signal falls below 3V, what am i supposed to change?
Back to top
Linas
Sun Jan 30 2011, 10:40AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
Location: Vilnius, Lithuania
Posts: 721
hv-friekie wrote ...

The core material shouldn't be the problem, i am using a ferrit toroid which is suitable for high frequencies.

I will test this with my scope. When i have this problem that the signal falls below 3V, what am i supposed to change?
Test everything in feedback circuit and maybe change CT.
Maybe some how you can't measure primary current because feedback signal can't reach 74HC14 HIGH logic level
( it's the only logic problem, because it works on signal generator )
Back to top
hv-friekie
Sun Jan 30 2011, 11:43AM
hv-friekie Registered Member #2273 Joined: Thu Aug 06 2009, 07:02PM
Location:
Posts: 37
I had been testing a 1:1000 Ct, but this made the feedback even worse. It didn't work at all.

I just scoped my feedback signal. There is no sign for that the amplitude goes down when i decrease the on time. The feedback signal is gone from the one to the other second :/
Back to top
Linas
Sun Jan 30 2011, 04:04PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
Location: Vilnius, Lithuania
Posts: 721
hv-friekie wrote ...

I had been testing a 1:1000 Ct, but this made the feedback even worse. It didn't work at all.

I just scoped my feedback signal. There is no sign for that the amplitude goes down when i decrease the on time. The feedback signal is gone from the one to the other second :/
Can you remove secondary, and use single core 100T CT ( with 2x 5W 5V zeners ) and show waveform on your 74HC14 input ?
Back to top
Paul Benham
Sun Feb 13 2011, 11:51AM
Paul Benham Registered Member #570 Joined: Wed Mar 07 2007, 03:41PM
Location: Winchester Uk
Posts: 42
Is it something to do with C5 and the 1k input resistor time constant? Is C5 needed? With large feedback signals from a long interrupter pulse the diodes on the input gate may clamp and C5 will then charge up and cause the gate output to change state. I think I would try taking this out, or making it larger.
Back to top
Dosinski
Wed Feb 16 2011, 11:07PM
Dosinski Registered Member #2680 Joined: Wed Feb 10 2010, 09:23PM
Location:
Posts: 45
I have the same problem hv-friekie has. I using primary feedback with a 1:70 CT. The CT outputs a sine wave that is only 40mV peak to peak. I'm quite sure the driver can't pick this up.
Back to top
 1 2 3 

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.