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Proud Mary
Mon Feb 21 2011, 05:27PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Everything always seems to take me far, far longer than I'd planned, but progress is being made! cheesey

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Proud Mary
Tue Feb 22 2011, 03:58PM
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I should have foreseen the problems I'm now having - aside from slatternly idleness that is - and have had to construct a 40kV PSU with a stiffer output that isn't so easily pulled down when the 2X2A starts drawing current, which makes trying to draw graphs relating Ia, Va, and Gy rather like playing croquet with a flamingo and a hedgehog that keeps wandering off as the ball.


1298390069 543 FT0 Alice Flamingo


But I am sorting it out now. smile

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radhoo
Wed Feb 23 2011, 01:09PM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
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Les, did you get your tubes? I've just returned from the post office with my package from Gintaras (KWTubes). Love the radio-id postcards he is sending.

Stella, more problems may also be a premise for more innovative solutions, keep us posted of your progress and good luck with that!
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Linas
Wed Feb 23 2011, 02:47PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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radhoo wrote ...

Les, did you get your tubes? I've just returned from the post office with my package from Gintaras (KWTubes). Love the radio-id postcards he is sending.
What a small world, i saw Gintaras yesterday smile
Maybe you know which x ray screen is best for experiments ? (most sensitive to x rays and have low cost)
Now thinking about this:
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plazmatron
Wed Feb 23 2011, 03:02PM
plazmatron Registered Member #1134 Joined: Tue Nov 20 2007, 04:39PM
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radhoo wrote ...

Les, did you get your tubes? I've just returned from the post office with my package from Gintaras (KWTubes). Love the radio-id postcards he is sending.

No yet, I have heard from him a few days ago though, and they have been posted, so within the week I guess.

@Stella. happens to me all the time!


Les

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Proud Mary
Wed Feb 23 2011, 04:27PM
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radhoo wrote ...

Stella, more problems may also be a premise for more innovative solutions, keep us posted of your progress and good luck with that!

OK Radu, here's my completed 3-stage full-wave C&W module ready to drown in an oil bath. The diodes are 30kV 30mA, the vitreous anti-surge resistors 1.2kΩ, and the capacitors 0.02μF 16kV. The yellow AC input cables are 30kV copper core vehicle ignition leads (off the roll) and the output lead is RS Components 25kV EHT cable inside a flush fit silicone rubber tube. The AC input leads also have in-line anti-inrush vitreous resistors in them.

The component values and choice of parts reflect what I could find around the house, rather than what might be ideal.


1298476212 543 FT0 Full Wave Cw Module Upload


Vpk across the balanced input can be varied across about 2kV - 6.7kV to produce an output of ~12kV - ~40kV NEG. Being a total slut, I'll supply the C&W from a 4kV-0-4kV 50Hz transformer controlled by a Variac, though I shan't be able to exploit the maximum Vpk of 11kV because of the 16kV Vmax limit of the capacitors.

If, in future, I should want more than a few hundred μA for other experiments, I can run the multiplier module at a higher frequency from an inverter, when the large capacitors will really come into their own. I've made it into a HV NEG supply because I mostly work in grounded anode mode, and it makes no difference to the 2X2A tests.


And here below is a completed 2.2MΩ in-line anti-surge resistor to protect the output against spark down and flash-over. Below it is the self-adhesive heat shrink used, and a similar 1MΩ HV resistor ready to make another surge limiter for use when the voltage drop across the 2.2MΩ becomes excessive.


1298476234 543 FT0 Full Wave Cw Surge Resistor Upload


I will put it all together tomorrow if I can find the time. Link2
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Wolfram
Wed Feb 23 2011, 06:29PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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Linas wrote ...

radhoo wrote ...

Les, did you get your tubes? I've just returned from the post office with my package from Gintaras (KWTubes). Love the radio-id postcards he is sending.
What a small world, i saw Gintaras yesterday smile
Maybe you know which x ray screen is best for experiments ? (most sensitive to x rays and have low cost)
Now thinking about this:
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What sort of experiments? If you want max light output and don't care much about resolution, a screen from a fast/rapid x-ray cassette would be ideal. If you want maximum resolution, a screen from a mammography cassette (Agfa Mamoray, Fuji Mammo or Kodak Min-R) would be best. These have much higher resolution than regular x-ray cassettes, but they give a bit less light.

That's some very nice work Stella, looking forward to seeing your results.

And I've said it before, but your results here have been much better than what I thought was possible with these tubes, Radhoo
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radhoo
Thu Feb 24 2011, 10:23AM
radhoo Registered Member #1938 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:44PM
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Anders M. wrote ...

That's some very nice work Stella, looking forward to seeing your results.
Indeed the setup looks very nice.

Anders M. wrote ...

And I've said it before, but your results here have been much better than what I thought was possible with these tubes, Radhoo
It appears the Russian 2X2 is a very special tube, there are still a few available on Ebay for those interested (KWTubes).
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Wolfram
Thu Feb 24 2011, 02:47PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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plazmatron wrote ...

OK the intensified pinhole camera works fine.

First off we have an image of the focal spot of a small dental x-ray tube (below).
Note, the resolution is good enough that is is obvious the spot is rectangular, corresponding to the spot etched to the anode face


1297807744 1134 FT106277 Dentaltube


Very interesting experiment. Notice the figure-8 shape of the focal spot, it actually corresponds very well with this drawing.


1298558830 33 FT106277 Focuscup


Do you have any dental x-ray tubes with a biased filament cup you could try this experiment with? It would be very interesting seeing how changing the bias voltage affected the size and shape of the focal spot.
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plazmatron
Thu Feb 24 2011, 03:24PM
plazmatron Registered Member #1134 Joined: Tue Nov 20 2007, 04:39PM
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Anders M. wrote ...

Very interesting experiment. Notice the figure-8 shape of the focal spot, it actually corresponds very well with this drawing.

Do you have any dental x-ray tubes with a biased filament cup you could try this experiment with? It would be very interesting seeing how changing the bias voltage affected the size and shape of the focal spot.

So it does! I have noticed this self same pattern etched into the anodes of x-ray tubes before.

Unfortunately none of the tubes I have has a biased filament cup, but it would make for an interesting future experiment for the vacuum rig wink

Les
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