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Renesis wrote ...
IamSmooth wrote ...
I have a philosophical question about teleportation:
If it were truly possible to decode the entire structure, beam the information to another location and reassemble, would it truly be the same person? The person would have the same memories, but is it just a "clone"? In fact, one could read the structure and recreate it without dissassembling the original.
Would not true teleportation involve transporting the original atoms to the destination?
I have an even more philosophical question for you. Say we scanned my brain, the way your hypothetical teleporter does. We end up with a mindboggling amount of information that will be used to assemble an identical brain somewhere else. An identical copy, inseparable from the original. But what if we instead fed this information into a supercomputer, and wrote a program that would simulate my brains normal functions; a brain emulator?
That would really bring up some existential questions. Here we have a machine buildt by a human, made of nothing but common semiconductors, that has a human mind with the feelings and emotions one would expect from such. Should we even call it a machine? And if my body died just afterwards, would i still be alive, my mind living on inside the simulation? Or would it be only a memory of me, like a talking and thinking picture? Would the machine be sad, because the mind within it is no longer considered a human? Would it remember the time back when it was... me? Can a soul really be written in binary code?
Personally, I think the brain works more like an analogue computer than a digital one, so I'd argue that the soul cannot be written in binary code.
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Steve McConner wrote ...
Nicko wrote ...
[His somewhat obtuse, but elegant, response was to consider the process of lighting a candle from another candle - the second candle flame is derived from the first, but is not the same.
That's Buddhist teleportation for you - just kill the guy and have a baby at the destination.
Very slow teleportation, though...
Actually, you could book your slot, have a clone embryo sent to the "other place", wait 9 months, then jump under a train just as "you" are delivered at your destination !
Some would argue that such extratemporal "teleportation" also reverses ageing...
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hm... I have a theory about this, it might turn out that if (and this is a very big if) the human mind is too complex to send in this way it might be possible to exploit quantum effects to get around this.
It seems that measuring a given photon enough times degrades the stored information to the extent that it becomes irreversibly degraded while the destination photon approaches the state of the original.
In which case, the teleporter might work more like a photocopier which destroys the original. Maybe using high energy X-ray beams while the subject spins at a few dozen RPM (needless to say this would be very, very bad for the unfortunate teleportee) and sends the information in parallel across the EM spectrum to overcome the bandwidth limitations.
Of course, one way to get around the problem with spinning someone at high speed could be to suspend them in a liquid such as ultrapure deionised water while supplying oxygen via a pipe.
(wasn't this on a film somewhere?!)
-A
"Bothe£!£$" said Pooh, as the Heisenberg compensators went offline mid-transport...
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I read somewhere that if you were to use the technology that was used to 'teleport' the 'state' of an atom halfway around the world to 'teleport' the 'state' of all the atoms in the human body, it would take the power of all the computers in the world longer than the whole time the universe has existed.
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Ash Small wrote ...
I read somewhere that if you were to use the technology that was used to 'teleport' the 'state' of an atom halfway around the world to 'teleport' the 'state' of all the atoms in the human body, it would take the power of all the computers in the world longer than the whole time the universe has existed.
It would be much quicker to walk.....
Well, i hope that someone can stay still that long enough for their pattern to be read and stored.
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Nah wrote ...
Another question, what if the teleporter messed up? Like if you lost a arm or a leg.
Also, what if your atoms got mixed up with another persons?
Finally, the most important question.
Could you sue?
I think the people that see you teleport would sue you, for making them see such a monstrosity... That would be pretty bad, to have some guy's arm as a head.
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EastVoltResearch wrote ...
Well, i hope that someone can stay still that long enough for their pattern to be read and stored.
This is why I believe it is our data storage and access that needs the next technological leap forward. It just doesn't make sense to read data linearly anymore. It is believed that the brain accesses memory holographically, which would explain the speed of thought and being able to think of multiple things at once.
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Nah wrote ...
Another question, what if the teleporter messed up? Like if you lost a arm or a leg.
Im afraid that such an error would most likely repeat itself many times during such a massive data transmission, thus reducing you to a dead puddle of goo... blargh
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This thread reminds me of a quote form the actor who played Mr Sulu. Some one at a convention asked him "How to the Heisenberg compensators work?" His reply was "Very well, thankyou."
Also, I could copy a poem in Chinese, but I wouldn't understand it at all. The idea that I could take the information on how a brain is built and use that to write a program to act as a model brain isn't valid.
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