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Arcstarter

Wed Dec 29 2010, 01:40AM

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This thread sucks. Why can't we talk about things that make us happy instead of sad?

All i have to say is that bullying should not exist anywhere at all. I have been bullied, and if any of my kids are bullied i will take it further than just talking to a counselor, i will take it to court, it's just that big of a deal. I am going to go take another dose of azrithromycin and drink some water

rp181

Wed Dec 29 2010, 02:57AM

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School gives people a baseline to compare people, just like standardized tests. Yes, many know it is not a very good description of a person, but its practical.

Hon1nbo

Wed Dec 29 2010, 07:43PM

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The main problem is not the schools, but the parents who can complain about the school.
This has been the main cause of decline in the science classes in public schools. A parent gets concerned and the school gets afraid because even though the teachers know what to do and serious accidents rarely happen, the school is now afraid of getting sued because of over-protective parents.

The bullying and freshman initiations are another story, as they are trying to make generic rules for an extremely complicated situation which makes innocent fun (such as my school's tradition of tossing freshman into the pool at the first football after-party) into a crime because they are really trying to stop the more dangerous things.

Essentially, these rules are being applied wrong, not that the rules themselves are wrong. It's called a Fallacy of Accident: a general rule is being applied to a similar case but different in any way that warrants an exemption

Luckily I went to private school so we didn't have a lot of these issues, and we had science classes in which we actually got to do labs with the chemicals, and the teachers were more than willing to discuss things like fire, chemicals, high voltage, spud guns and real guns, etc.

Also, as stated before, more and more schools are relying on tests. Unfortunately, while such a thing isn't too nasty, they are doing it in a bad way. many schools aren't teaching you to study the material on the tests, but rather study and teach how to take the test well.

I could go on but I think a lot of it has already been said.

-Jimmy

quicksilver

Thu Dec 30 2010, 12:18AM

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DaJJHman wrote ...

The main problem is not the schools, but the parents who can complain about the school.

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Luckily I went to private school so we didn't have a lot of these issues, and we had science classes in which we actually got to do labs with the chemicals, and the teachers were more than willing to discuss things like fire, chemicals, high voltage, spud guns and real guns, etc.

This is too often true! However too many parents look to schools to do their "parenting" for them. I also agree with your observations re: private schools (tough to afford however; but worth every penny).

I've had this discussion w/ other parents obviously & many would like to see a competitive format but not solely based on some standardized test for the students......but for lesson planning, teaching creativity, & curriculum (the teaching end of things). Unfortunately we live in such a litigious society; everyone is too concerned about having someone sue the hell out of them & teaching the child to pass a test rather than expand their horizons.

Some folks simply have trouble w/ tests - but that can be overcome. I'd consider a success if a person got a lower grade but loved the subject or offshoots of it rather than have a bleak fear of failure when approaching learning.

Andyman

Thu Dec 30 2010, 07:41AM

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Arcstarter wrote ...

This thread sucks. Why can't we talk about things that make us happy instead of sad?

All i have to say is that bullying should not exist anywhere at all. I have been bullied, and if any of my kids are bullied i will take it further than just talking to a counselor, i will take it to court, it's just that big of a deal. I am going to go take another dose of azrithromycin and drink some water

I was going to ignore it, and I'm not usually blunt like this, but that's a pretty dang naive thing to say. I say theft and murder should not exist anywhere at all, but that's simply not gonna happen. EVER. Big daddy government is not all powerful. People WILL get bullied, it's hard coded into the genetic makup of humans. Just as there will always be trolls on the interwebs, there will ALWAYS be bullies IRL. Utopia is impossible; if you want to get closer to it, you might consider joining the communist party. (I know that's a slippery slope fallacy, just trying to make a point

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If you're gonna take a 16 y/o kid or the parents to court, or place the blame on the school, then I have to say, a good part of the problem most likely lies on your end.
It's going to happen, so i think the parents have some responsibility to teach their kids how to prepare for/defend/fight back against bullies. They're not gonna face them only in school, but in the real world as well. If they live too sheltered, or just take it and cower, when they go into the world, they won't be able to handle tyrannical bullying bosses in the workplace etc...

Pinky's Brain

Thu Dec 30 2010, 10:37AM

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Kids live in a bubble, the school is their world ... IRL people rarely become isolated because of bullying, easier to shrug things off. It's a world much easier controlled, big daddy teachers are defacto all powerful on school grounds.

Violence is not the be all and end all solution. It has a tendency to escalate ... keeping your pride but losing your teeth is not a good trade, pride is easier regained than teeth.

A tyrannical boss is a good example, how do you deal with that? With the life lessons being suggested here it would have to be punching him in the nose ...

To me it would seem more rational to simply refuse him when he asks for unreasonable overtime (walk away) or go over his head (complain to the principal).

Nicko

Thu Dec 30 2010, 12:40PM

Registered Member #1334 Joined: Tue Feb 19 2008, 04:37PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

A tyrannical boss is a good example, how do you deal with that? With the life lessons being suggested here it would have to be punching him in the nose ...

To me it would seem more rational to simply refuse him when he asks for unreasonable overtime (walk away) or go over his head (complain to the principal).

In the UK at least we have some alternatives.

A "friend" responds extremely badly to bullying/verbal abuse. They had a senior member of their company (an Executive Director, but not in their reporting line) who was regularly abusive to all staff, F'ing etc. all the time.
When they tried this on my "friend", they were told, very politely, that it was unacceptable and a formal complaint would be made to HR under the terms of the Employee Handbook (which forms part of your terms of employment).
Never any trouble ever again - all sweetness & light.

The bottom line is that for a lot of bullies, its all about bluster and insecurity - call their bluff, politely, and often the problem goes away.

Pinky's Brain

Thu Dec 30 2010, 02:19PM

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Occasionally threats have to be made good on ... it only takes a single complaint to go unanswered for the threat to lose its power.

quicksilver

Thu Dec 30 2010, 03:47PM

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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

Violence is not the be all and end all solution. It has a tendency to escalate ... keeping your pride but losing your teeth is not a good trade, pride is easier regained than teeth.

This is such an important thing for kids to hear, understand and process but it takes a parent time and good communication w/ their child for them to understand the concept of "picking your battles". There is also a great deal of maturity on the part of the child to address this issue. Children can be so cruel; it's beyond belief sometimes.
But this is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm talking about appropriate parenting. Kids don't come with an instruction manual.

I really can't compare my own youth to today. That was a different age. When a schoolyard fight was basically a bloody nose & no one would even consider shooting up a classroom and sticking a steak knife in a teacher's stomach.

Even IF a child today is not from a single parent household he rarely gets the same parenting as years ago as both parent need to work to make ends meet. The structure of the home is different & kids don't have a chance to be children anymore.
Marketing begins to sexualize little girls before puberty. Little boys are expected to understand adult methods of communication well before they have even had much more of a job than a paper-route. But the biggest problem is that parents allow it to continue. To buy a thong for your 11yr old daughter becasue she wants one quite a bit more stupid & revolting than the jerk who thinks they would sell!

hsieh

Mon Jan 03 2011, 08:22AM

Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
Location: Taipei Taiwan
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I'm born in Taiwan.Many Taiwanese students think that themselves are guinea pigs.They think our current education have a lot of problems.Our government is trying to fix it since 1980s,but some people think this dosen't work and cause more problem..
Many problems here in Taiwan is similar to those in other part of the world.

I now major in EE.I'm a freshman so I currently don't know much about EE.
Last week,Iwant to build a ZVS flyback driver to power my mini SGTC.I had some problem.So I ask some senior schoolmates in a power electronic lab.
They said that this circut "will not work".I show them the video.They said they don't know why this will work!
They have never heard of Tesla Coils.I told them the Tesla Coil in computer game Red Alert is real(though not that powerful) and I'm planning to build some.They think I'm totally joking.

BTW,most of my classmates are afraid of speaking or wrighting in English.They think my English ability is amazing but I don't think so.

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