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pauleddy
Wed Dec 22 2010, 05:03AM Print
pauleddy Registered Member #2909 Joined: Wed Jun 09 2010, 12:31AM
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I am just courious if there is a major difference between a cone shape seconary and the more common cylinder
alot of the demo TC like this one are cone shape, so why is that? is there an advantige to having a cone secondary or what?
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U4R1A
Wed Dec 22 2010, 05:45AM
U4R1A Registered Member #3505 Joined: Sun Dec 12 2010, 06:03AM
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Telsa had a ton of conical coils and the idea was that towards the top where the voltages are higher it would have less resistance. I've seen tons of post on this subject on pupman but never a clear cut winner but I have a cone form that I'm prepping currently for some Litz wire. It should be interesting.
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Steve Conner
Wed Dec 22 2010, 08:33AM
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Conical coils are a beeatch to wind, the wire keeps slipping off.

I have seen somebody make a Tesla coil out of a traffic cone, though, so it can be done.
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Avalanche
Wed Dec 22 2010, 12:31PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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I would think you'd want to start winding from the end with the smallest diameter first, so the wire tries to slip onto itself.

As for it being any better over a conventional one, I dunno but it looks different so that's enough for me cheesey
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ubuntupokemoninc
Wed Dec 22 2010, 02:11PM
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the magnetic feild get smaller as it goes up Link2

that would mean it would collect more RF?

just a theory.
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pauleddy
Wed Dec 22 2010, 05:41PM
pauleddy Registered Member #2909 Joined: Wed Jun 09 2010, 12:31AM
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I like the magnetic idea, mabe, it goes with the same reason some have conical primaries
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Dr Hankenstein
Wed Dec 22 2010, 10:36PM
Dr Hankenstein Registered Member #1642 Joined: Sun Aug 17 2008, 11:36PM
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Conical shaped tesla coils are indeed a bit more of a challenge than a conventional cylinder. I started at the small end with a few turns and dabbed small bits of epoxy to the wire, let it dry somewhat and continued to wind. The epoxy helps reduce the tendency for the winding to suddenly become loose (as it did the first time I tried it!)

Below is a photogragh of the finished coil. It is audio modulated, SSTC, PLL controlled frequency, secondary CT feedback (this greatly improves the length of the arc and quality of sound). Secondary measures 8" at the bottom, 7" at the top and is 9" long. Wound with #31 AWG, the fo=138khz with an 8" corona ring.

Driver circuitry is a hybrid of Steve Conner's and Uzzor's with additional CT feedback scheme. Output is full bridge MOSFET Chris Hooper design. Runs at 5amps with 200VDC on the buss. Sparks vary between 3" and 5" depending on music program and audio input drive.

Here ia a youtube link to the coil in operation: Link2

Regards,
Hank
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Dr Hankenstein
Wed Dec 22 2010, 10:40PM
Dr Hankenstein Registered Member #1642 Joined: Sun Aug 17 2008, 11:36PM
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Sorry about the double post, but I was unable to post the photo; I'll try again:

1293057644 1642 FT104071 Mini Wardencliff Deluxe
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Dr. Drone
Wed Dec 22 2010, 11:29PM
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william L
Wed Dec 22 2010, 11:41PM
william L Registered Member #3093 Joined: Mon Aug 09 2010, 11:40PM
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ubuntupokemoninc wrote ...

the magnetic feild get smaller as it goes up Link2

that would mean it would collect more RF?

just a theory.
But the field spreads out. that would work the wrong way, no?
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