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Nicko wrote ...
Proud Mary wrote ...
Nicko wrote ...
Now I believe that my kids should do as much as they reasonable can, but why prolong the agony? With only 8 hours a week, my daughter's course could easily be done in 2 years, not 3 - result? HUGE saving. Its only old prejudices that say all degrees should be at least 3 years long.
Surely, the point of having a three year undergraduate degree is as much to socialise the students into the life of the mind, and the spirit of enquiry, as it is to communicate structured learning. It's often said that students learn more from other students outside the lecture theatre and seminar room than they do in formal instruction.
A two year undergraduate degree will produce yet more students who know little beyond their own narrow specialism, and who have been encouraged to view education as a stepping stone to vocational employment, rather than as a strand in the greater fabric of our national culture.
Lets get real here - there is a world of difference between a social science/arts degree & an engineering one (as most of us here have already experienced).
Believe me, I understand fully the social side of university life, but it doesn't take 3 years (or 4 in my own case) to complete every aspect of many degrees. Its a 3 year party for many, at parent's expense (to a large extent). Its great fun & all that, but is ripe for restructuring.
Cheers
You old killjoy! I've no choice now but to fall into a petulant sulk!
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Obviously you'll note that I'm from the USA. I posted this principally BECAUSE the issues facing parents & the cost of an education (a REAL education; not some party of several years on father's paycheck) is something we all encounter in a very similar way.
This could have been an echo of the majority of parents of university age young people through out the world. The promises of the political marketeers are SO damn similar; the results so reflective of such a mirror image......I'm hoping that someday these issues will bring us closer to a solution.
In the USA the biggest joke is the term "Middle Class" as if there IS one. There is working class and wealthy. but when the politicians speak; their favorite expression to the masses is to speak to the "middle class", thinking that the public will be duped into believing they live a great deal higher than hand to mouth.
So many people (rightly) believe that when compared with a deeply impoverished country that we have it great but these things can be relative to what en education means in one country and employment means to another. We are all being screwed; it's just a manner of style or technique.
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