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Registered Member #96
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(goes to check his Geiger counter has batteries...) Not that it helps, if the manure really hits the rapidly rotating device expect all out no holds barred nuking from orbit before you can say "measured response"...
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I should point out that the North has at best a couple of small nukes and no reliable delivery system. I don't know where you guys figure this all out nuclear war is going to come from unless the South gets all trigger happy and starts slinging big flashy thingies at China. Not bloody likely, as they know our response would be to get back on our boats and head for home at that point.
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Dave Marshall wrote ...
I should point out that the North has at best a couple of small nukes and no reliable delivery system.
Stick the nuke in a small jet and fly to Seoul on a suicide mission. Detonate in the air.
Seoul is only about 35 miles from the North Korean border - a little known fact. If you wanted to get a bomb over Seoul on a one-way trip, it is probably doable... at 300mph that's about 7 minutes...
Further to this - Just noticed that Google Maps has NO detail for North Korea , not even major cities or roads - just satellite photos. I know that you can ask to have your house etc. blurred, but a whole country!!!
Interesting WSJ article: REALLY interesting site (North Korea Uncovered):
Registered Member #16
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It is a little known fact to most folks that Seoul is so close to the border. I however spent 6 months stationed squarely between Seoul and the DMZ
Given NK's current nuclear capability, try a really big jet. A C-17 cargo jet, possibly larger. There are a few commercial jets large enough in North Korea, but much of their stock of heavy bombers and cargo planes are WWII and Korean War surplus. It's also the single most heavily armed border on the planet. South Korea has an extremely sophisticated air defense network, including numerous American operated Patriot batteries. It is very unlikely that anything bigger than an RC airplane would make it far in to the South unscathed.
Hence their lack of a reliable delivery device. Their Taepo Dong missile keeps exploding on the pad. It's the only thing they've got big enough to lift a primitive nuke that could possibly defeat the AAA network.
There are forces at work on the Korean Peninsula far greater and more complex than civilians know. That's why the last 10 engagements between the two of them haven't come to a full out war. The North is trying to see just how far they can push before we push back. This is largely a political move, given that Kim Jong Il is expected to be replaced by his son the next 1-2 years, and major multinational talks are about to commence in the region.
The biggest indicator of this being just another hissy fit is the fact that intelligence reports so far aren't showing significant troop movement toward the DMZ in the North. Considering a fair chunk of their army is stationed away from the DMZ at any given time, if they were planning on starting a real throw-down, they'd have a lot of mobilization to do. This is something that would be widely publicized, because if they rush the border, we're going to need a lot of help very quickly.
The North knows the only way they can win is to get China involved. The only way China would get involved is if the US and/or South Korea actually launched nukes in to the North, or made some other incredibly boneheaded move. This is *extremely* unlikely, even if the North managed to get a nuke into the South. Given the fact that the North has at best 10 nukes smaller than 10KT (5 or fewer is far more likely, however), we know their capability is pretty limited. This is a big gamble for the North, because if they nuke, and we continue a conventional war, not only is China not likely to get directly involved, they are likely to turn against the North out of fear for their standing in the world economy. They have an awful lot to lose. This puts the North in a catch-22 that isn't likely to change any time soon. As such, they'll continue posturing and throwing tantrums ad nauseum.
You're going to see some pretty severe sanctions and repercussions for this, but they'll all be financial and material, not military.
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I think if you wrongly make a nuke, you should have to set it off where you built it. I know it's not that simple, but that would be cool. Even though it still kills innocent people... But it also kills the people who decided to make it.
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Arcstarter wrote ...
I think if you wrongly make a nuke, you should have to set it off where you built it. I know it's not that simple, but that would be cool. Even though it still kills innocent people... But it also kills the people who decided to make it.
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