finaly- a beginning to the end
EDY19, Sat May 13 2006, 07:06PMTonight is the senior prom at our school, a sign that high school is getting close to an end- somewhat good, and somewhat bad. Next year, I am going to college and will be taking 17 credit hours in order to finish the engineering program in four years- which may be a little optimistic :) Anyway, tonight should be fun, and hope all you other seniors out there have (had) fun at your prom if you went!
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Sat May 13 2006, 09:03PM
you cant do EE in 4 yreas.
2 years for GE (almost 3 now)
CSULB revised their program, which breaks down to 10 semesters. 5 years.
So you better shoot for 7 or 8 years insted.
I'm almost at the finish line, 2 semesters to go. :)
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Sat May 13 2006, 09:03PM
you cant do EE in 4 yreas.
2 years for GE (almost 3 now)
CSULB revised their program, which breaks down to 10 semesters. 5 years.
So you better shoot for 7 or 8 years insted.
I'm almost at the finish line, 2 semesters to go. :)
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
HV Enthusiast, Sat May 13 2006, 11:07PM
Sure you can.
HV Enthusiast, Sat May 13 2006, 11:07PM
wrote ...
you cant do EE in 4 yreas.
you cant do EE in 4 yreas.
Sure you can.
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Cesiumsponge, Sat May 13 2006, 11:50PM
It's not a cakewalk to complete a traditional 4 year program in the alotted time unless you don't need to work at all to support your schooling. It is, however, possible, and the time estimates given by counselors and planners are for -optimum- situations.
Most people have to work part-time (or even full time) to pay for their schooling and living expenses, which can cause them to drag the program out a year or so. Add in partying and romantic interests, and it might get more complicated.
Just make sure you don't miss any coursework that's offered in a sequential "series" because if you miss the first, you generally can't take the next course until the first pops up again. Depending on the course and institution, sometimes these classes are offered once a year so if you miss a semester/trimester/quarter (or whatever time division your campus), you've just extended your program by another year. Also keep in mind competition is unlimited and open spots are limited. Freshmen don't get priority on anything but the first several years of any degree are fairly general in coursework so you shouldn't encounter much trouble. Sometimes it's out of your control and sometimes the pressure might be too much.
Unless you've planned the next 10 years of your life down to the day, I would suggest going at a pace and coursework load that pushes you, but won't burn you out because you'll want to take a break and never go back.
Cesiumsponge, Sat May 13 2006, 11:50PM
It's not a cakewalk to complete a traditional 4 year program in the alotted time unless you don't need to work at all to support your schooling. It is, however, possible, and the time estimates given by counselors and planners are for -optimum- situations.
Most people have to work part-time (or even full time) to pay for their schooling and living expenses, which can cause them to drag the program out a year or so. Add in partying and romantic interests, and it might get more complicated.
Just make sure you don't miss any coursework that's offered in a sequential "series" because if you miss the first, you generally can't take the next course until the first pops up again. Depending on the course and institution, sometimes these classes are offered once a year so if you miss a semester/trimester/quarter (or whatever time division your campus), you've just extended your program by another year. Also keep in mind competition is unlimited and open spots are limited. Freshmen don't get priority on anything but the first several years of any degree are fairly general in coursework so you shouldn't encounter much trouble. Sometimes it's out of your control and sometimes the pressure might be too much.
Unless you've planned the next 10 years of your life down to the day, I would suggest going at a pace and coursework load that pushes you, but won't burn you out because you'll want to take a break and never go back.
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Sun May 14 2006, 12:03AM
Load: 12-16 Units of coursework with 10 semesters here at CSULB.
Now, even if you could do that, some of the classes you have to take over, some of them aren't offered even though the paperworks suggests they are, and sometimes your mental 'maturity' just isn't ready for material. That's the category I fall into. Now some of you guys are really good at this stuff, but I'm not. So realistically, even at a moderate 12 Unit pace like myself, you burn out half-way, and at the end you really stop careing.
Hope you can do it in 4, my paperwork says 5 and with 2 yrs. GE that's 7. Add it up any way you like, I was forced into 7, no negotiation.
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Sun May 14 2006, 12:03AM
Load: 12-16 Units of coursework with 10 semesters here at CSULB.
Now, even if you could do that, some of the classes you have to take over, some of them aren't offered even though the paperworks suggests they are, and sometimes your mental 'maturity' just isn't ready for material. That's the category I fall into. Now some of you guys are really good at this stuff, but I'm not. So realistically, even at a moderate 12 Unit pace like myself, you burn out half-way, and at the end you really stop careing.
Hope you can do it in 4, my paperwork says 5 and with 2 yrs. GE that's 7. Add it up any way you like, I was forced into 7, no negotiation.
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
EEYORE, Sun May 14 2006, 03:35AM
Yup, EE isnt easy!I started off playing football for the school(FSU seminoles) and having my mind set on football, quickly fell behind. Stress from girlfriends, coke-head roomates, and parents as well as having to work pushed depression(clinical) and now im rebuilding
I will now end up with about 3 degrees and 2 minors due to taking so long in college and im hating it!( i hate the "kids" here).
If i could go back and do it over, id NEVER have played football, and would have gone to a community college first to do all the pre-engineering stuff like calculus and physics.
To sum it up, college will kick your ass if you dont watch out
And knowing all this engineering stuff doesnt do you ANY good till your through calc3 and engineering math!(dont get to take ANY engineering classes).
Oh yea, stay away from partying, its just gunk in your "engineering" gears!
Uggg, wheres my xanax?
Good luck!
Matt
EEYORE, Sun May 14 2006, 03:35AM
Yup, EE isnt easy!I started off playing football for the school(FSU seminoles) and having my mind set on football, quickly fell behind. Stress from girlfriends, coke-head roomates, and parents as well as having to work pushed depression(clinical) and now im rebuilding
I will now end up with about 3 degrees and 2 minors due to taking so long in college and im hating it!( i hate the "kids" here).If i could go back and do it over, id NEVER have played football, and would have gone to a community college first to do all the pre-engineering stuff like calculus and physics.
To sum it up, college will kick your ass if you dont watch out
And knowing all this engineering stuff doesnt do you ANY good till your through calc3 and engineering math!(dont get to take ANY engineering classes).Oh yea, stay away from partying, its just gunk in your "engineering" gears!
Uggg, wheres my xanax?
Good luck!
Matt
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Desmogod, Sun May 14 2006, 05:16AM
This perpetuates a warped world view unfortunately.
Where is the jock going to be at 30 with 5 knee reconstructions, and no real valid education under his belt?
Desmogod, Sun May 14 2006, 05:16AM
mattrg2 wrote ...
If i could go back and do it over, id NEVER have played football, and would have gone to a community college first to do all the pre-engineering stuff like calculus and physics.
Yeah, the major problem is that sport at school is seen as the be all and end all, with the jocks being the popular kids, and the rest of us being thought of as lesser beings.If i could go back and do it over, id NEVER have played football, and would have gone to a community college first to do all the pre-engineering stuff like calculus and physics.
This perpetuates a warped world view unfortunately.
Where is the jock going to be at 30 with 5 knee reconstructions, and no real valid education under his belt?
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
ragnar, Sun May 14 2006, 07:00AM
That's right, bag my groceries!
ragnar, Sun May 14 2006, 07:00AM
That's right, bag my groceries!
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Bored Chemist, Sun May 14 2006, 09:23AM
"Where is the jock going to be at 30 with 5 knee reconstructions, and no real valid education under his belt?"
Probably on the board of a major corporation because he's got friends in high places by the simple expedient of giving away tickets to games.
The world's not fair.
Bored Chemist, Sun May 14 2006, 09:23AM
"Where is the jock going to be at 30 with 5 knee reconstructions, and no real valid education under his belt?"
Probably on the board of a major corporation because he's got friends in high places by the simple expedient of giving away tickets to games.
The world's not fair.
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Steve Conner, Sun May 14 2006, 02:41PM
Well, I got my B.Eng (what you americans would call a BSEE I guess?) in 4 years. I got into college straight out of high school at 16 and graduated at 20. I guess it worked because I got a student grant, stayed home with my parents, never drank or took drugs, never played any sports and didn't have any girlfriends.
In other words, I was a complete nerd with no life whatsoever
And by 20 I was still scared enough of "real life" that I stayed on for a PhD. I don't regret it though. I have an education, a steady job as an EE, my own house, and a lot of partying to catch up on, now I'm starting to get a taste for it 
The one thing I always regret was that I never got to do any of those jockly things like playing college football. (except it would be soccer, rugby or rowing over here I guess..) I was definitely one of those "Lesser beings" that desmogod talked about. But when I read what mattrg said, it kind of made me think about it in a different light.
The fact is that if you missed out, you can always go and play any sport you like as an amateur later on. There are millions of people who missed out the same as you. You'll probably not be competitive with "real" athletes (if you were, you'd have been one of the jocks at school) but that's no excuse. If anything, I think that makes it more fun, because there's hardly any pressure.
Steve Conner, Sun May 14 2006, 02:41PM
Well, I got my B.Eng (what you americans would call a BSEE I guess?) in 4 years. I got into college straight out of high school at 16 and graduated at 20. I guess it worked because I got a student grant, stayed home with my parents, never drank or took drugs, never played any sports and didn't have any girlfriends.
In other words, I was a complete nerd with no life whatsoever
And by 20 I was still scared enough of "real life" that I stayed on for a PhD. I don't regret it though. I have an education, a steady job as an EE, my own house, and a lot of partying to catch up on, now I'm starting to get a taste for it The one thing I always regret was that I never got to do any of those jockly things like playing college football. (except it would be soccer, rugby or rowing over here I guess..) I was definitely one of those "Lesser beings" that desmogod talked about. But when I read what mattrg said, it kind of made me think about it in a different light.
The fact is that if you missed out, you can always go and play any sport you like as an amateur later on. There are millions of people who missed out the same as you. You'll probably not be competitive with "real" athletes (if you were, you'd have been one of the jocks at school) but that's no excuse. If anything, I think that makes it more fun, because there's hardly any pressure.
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
HV Enthusiast, Sun May 14 2006, 02:45PM
Well, that explains things. . . .
HV Enthusiast, Sun May 14 2006, 02:45PM
wrote ...
I guess it worked because I got a student grant, stayed home with my parents, never drank or took drugs, never played any sports and didn't have any girlfriends.
I guess it worked because I got a student grant, stayed home with my parents, never drank or took drugs, never played any sports and didn't have any girlfriends.
Well, that explains things. . . .
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Steve Conner, Sun May 14 2006, 02:53PM
Yea! I'm a nerd and I'm proud of it! \o/ You can't talk though EVR, you have two more nerd stars than me :P Good luck with college edy19!
Steve Conner, Sun May 14 2006, 02:53PM
Yea! I'm a nerd and I'm proud of it! \o/ You can't talk though EVR, you have two more nerd stars than me :P Good luck with college edy19!
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Marko, Sun May 14 2006, 03:14PM
Like you're speaking for me
'better to be nerd than to fade away'
Marko, Sun May 14 2006, 03:14PM
I got into college straight out of high school at 16 and graduated at 20. I guess it worked because I got a student grant, stayed home with my parents, never drank or took drugs, never played any sports and didn't have any girlfriends.
Like you're speaking for me
'better to be nerd than to fade away'
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
Sulaiman, Sun May 14 2006, 03:52PM
I guess UK in the late 60's early 70's was a lot easier;
I did a joint Electrical & Electronic eng B.Sc. in 3 years and had girlfriends/parties etc.
Having a full government grant helped!
We all used to get course fees free and a comfortable living allowance.
(unless your parents had LOTS of money)
My son now costs a lot to put through Uni.
Students in England are now (on average) graduating with really large debts-
what a shitty way to start life/career!
Sulaiman, Sun May 14 2006, 03:52PM
I guess UK in the late 60's early 70's was a lot easier;
I did a joint Electrical & Electronic eng B.Sc. in 3 years and had girlfriends/parties etc.
Having a full government grant helped!
We all used to get course fees free and a comfortable living allowance.
(unless your parents had LOTS of money)
My son now costs a lot to put through Uni.
Students in England are now (on average) graduating with really large debts-
what a shitty way to start life/career!
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
HV Enthusiast, Sun May 14 2006, 03:59PM
Yeah, you got a point there!
HV Enthusiast, Sun May 14 2006, 03:59PM
wrote ...
You can't talk though EVR, you have two more nerd stars than me
You can't talk though EVR, you have two more nerd stars than me
Yeah, you got a point there!
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
EEYORE, Sun May 14 2006, 04:35PM
For college sports, its only worth it if you get a scholarship and/or are up for a draft into the pros. Playing ball for "fun" really is a bad idea. I was up to earn a scholarship, and had conenctions with pro teams, but found that life can get difficult FAST, and being poor is no fun!I decided i had better put all my effort into EE, as it was a sure means of a future. There was one player who graduated EE on the team with a 4.0 and was a major player. He also was a genius(really he was).
Id say aside from being a genius, GFs, partying, and sports will all come together to kill ya!You may get by with just one of those.(I chose a GF ) And about 4 years later am still trying to recover from it all...(Girls will ALWAYS bring you crap, so id just assume do EE strickly by itself but im too far gone now[whipped?] hehehe).
Some things you DO need to think about doing are clubs and internships. My school has no clubs for what i like to do, and the only EE club is for african americans(excludes me).
Matt
EEYORE, Sun May 14 2006, 04:35PM
For college sports, its only worth it if you get a scholarship and/or are up for a draft into the pros. Playing ball for "fun" really is a bad idea. I was up to earn a scholarship, and had conenctions with pro teams, but found that life can get difficult FAST, and being poor is no fun!I decided i had better put all my effort into EE, as it was a sure means of a future. There was one player who graduated EE on the team with a 4.0 and was a major player. He also was a genius(really he was).
Id say aside from being a genius, GFs, partying, and sports will all come together to kill ya!You may get by with just one of those.(I chose a GF
) And about 4 years later am still trying to recover from it all...(Girls will ALWAYS bring you crap, so id just assume do EE strickly by itself but im too far gone now[whipped?] hehehe).Some things you DO need to think about doing are clubs and internships. My school has no clubs for what i like to do, and the only EE club is for african americans(excludes me).
Matt
Re: finaly- a beginning to the end
AndrewM, Sun May 14 2006, 05:42PM
internships, coops, or research are golden. Club don't worry so much about, in my experience employers in engineering positions don't care as much.
plus, clubs are rarely, if ever, verified, so you can lie.
also, i did 18 hour semesters for almost all of my college career, its really not that bad. take 5 if you need/like to, but it can be done in 4.
AndrewM, Sun May 14 2006, 05:42PM
internships, coops, or research are golden. Club don't worry so much about, in my experience employers in engineering positions don't care as much.
plus, clubs are rarely, if ever, verified, so you can lie.
also, i did 18 hour semesters for almost all of my college career, its really not that bad. take 5 if you need/like to, but it can be done in 4.
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