My improved SSTC, first impressions
Kipmans, Sat Apr 24 2010, 09:27PMI've been working on an improved version of my SSTC for quite some time and today it was finally time to power it up for the first time.
My previous SSTC was almost entirely based on Steve Ward's mini SSTC. It worked, but not especially well and the MOSFETs exploded on a regular basis. So for this new coil I ditched everything but the secondary coil and started again from scratch.
The first thing I made was a remote control box which also contains an interrupter. The interrupter is a simple 555 design. The on- and off-times can be controlled by using two potentiometers. There is also a knob to select one of six possible interrupter modes, each resulting in its own particular spark appearance. The box connects to the SSTC controller through a shielded 8-core data cable (of which only 4 wires are used, but I could get the shielded 9-pin D-SUB connectors for much less than shielded 4-pin connectors...). There is also room reserved for an audio interrupter, but I haven't made one yet. The small "on/off" switch doesn't have a function yet.
Then it's on to the power electronics. I made a wooden base on which everyting is mounted in place.
The coil is powered by a full bridge with four IRFP-460's. It is controlled by a version of Steve Ward's improved PLL driver. The driver is housed in the aluminium box with the fan (the fan blows directly on the gate driver chips). The relays switch the power to the bridge and are controlled by the "PWR" button on the control box.
The complete setup looks like this:
I believe the toroid is a bit oversized for this little secondary coil, but unfortunately I couldn't find aluminium ducting with a diameter less than 10 cm. With this topload, the resonant frequency is about 220 kHz. I aimed for 250 - 300 kHz, so I guess it's acceptable.
I tested the coil and so far it appears to be working pretty well. Here are two movies of the sparks at two different interrupter modes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzaeFpUtM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFV6Hma2W4
This is at 120 V AC input. My ultimate goal is to go all the way up to 230 V, but at about 150 V input the coil starts to stutter. I guess this is due to the feedback signal getting messed up. Also, I fear I need more turns on the primary to keep the bridge (or my fuses...) from blowing at the full input voltage.
So far I'm pretty pleased with the results. This coil is already much more impressive than my previous one and there is still room for improvement. One thing bugs me though: I haven't been ably to get current transformer feedback working. Currently the coil runs fine with antenna feedback but I would like to switch to a CT instead as I believe that may solve the "stuttering" problem at higher input voltages. My current CT has a 1:60 ratio. Unfortunately the PLL doesn't lock to the resonant frequency when I connect it (reversing the phasing makes no difference). Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
101111, Sat Apr 24 2010, 09:33PM
I like it, would like to see some pics of what is inside of those Al boxes tho ;)
101111, Sat Apr 24 2010, 09:33PM
I like it, would like to see some pics of what is inside of those Al boxes tho ;)
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Mads Barnkob, Sun Apr 25 2010, 06:19AM
I like your style, its similar to how I have built SSTCs.
I was just wondering about the little piece of test pcb that you have two relays on, are the tracks underneath wide enough to handle lets say 3500W in CW mode? I could easily pull 2500W in CW mode with my similar coil.
Mads Barnkob, Sun Apr 25 2010, 06:19AM
I like your style, its similar to how I have built SSTCs.
I was just wondering about the little piece of test pcb that you have two relays on, are the tracks underneath wide enough to handle lets say 3500W in CW mode? I could easily pull 2500W in CW mode with my similar coil.
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Kipmans, Sun Apr 25 2010, 04:25PM
This is what's inside those metal boxes:
I also tried snapping a picture of the bridge, which was difficult because it's mounted upside down.
Today, I got the CT feedback working. It turned out that it was a phasing issue after all. With the CT the coil works a little better than with the antenna.
However, I also had a bit of a setback. I was gradually increasing the power level. However, somewhere around 70% of the maximum input voltage the coil consistently stopped working and started producing a suspicious sound. I could not see anything going wrong though, so I kept running the coil at the point were it still worked OK (about 68% input voltage) and pushed the power levels up by adjusting the interrupter settings. Suddenly however, the toroid started smoking. I immediately shut everything down and after taking apart the secondary coil and toroid this is what I found:
It seems that the toroid got so hot that it started burning the PVC at the top of the secondary. Also, the glue I used on the toroid to attach pieces of aluminium foil (to make the point were the toroid is joined together look less of a mess...) melted. This caused an awful mess as you can see.
Is it normal that a toroid gets so hot that it can burn the PVC? Also, I think the coil crapping out at 70% input voltage may confirm my fear that this secondary really is too small to handle more than, say, 1 kW. What do you guys think?
Kipmans, Sun Apr 25 2010, 04:25PM
wrote ...
I like your style, its similar to how I have built SSTCs.
Well, I have to admit I took some inspiration from your Kaizer SSTC's. I like your style, its similar to how I have built SSTCs.
wrote ...
I was just wondering about the little piece of test pcb that you have two relays on, are the tracks underneath wide enough to handle lets say 3500W in CW mode? I could easily pull 2500W in CW mode with my similar coil.
I made the connections with solid copper wire meant for mains wiring, so I'm confident it can handle the power. I have to say though, that I underestimated the power levels a bit as I expected something like 1,5 kW at 100% input voltage.I was just wondering about the little piece of test pcb that you have two relays on, are the tracks underneath wide enough to handle lets say 3500W in CW mode? I could easily pull 2500W in CW mode with my similar coil.
This is what's inside those metal boxes:
I also tried snapping a picture of the bridge, which was difficult because it's mounted upside down.
Today, I got the CT feedback working. It turned out that it was a phasing issue after all. With the CT the coil works a little better than with the antenna.
However, I also had a bit of a setback. I was gradually increasing the power level. However, somewhere around 70% of the maximum input voltage the coil consistently stopped working and started producing a suspicious sound. I could not see anything going wrong though, so I kept running the coil at the point were it still worked OK (about 68% input voltage) and pushed the power levels up by adjusting the interrupter settings. Suddenly however, the toroid started smoking. I immediately shut everything down and after taking apart the secondary coil and toroid this is what I found:
It seems that the toroid got so hot that it started burning the PVC at the top of the secondary. Also, the glue I used on the toroid to attach pieces of aluminium foil (to make the point were the toroid is joined together look less of a mess...) melted. This caused an awful mess as you can see.
Is it normal that a toroid gets so hot that it can burn the PVC? Also, I think the coil crapping out at 70% input voltage may confirm my fear that this secondary really is too small to handle more than, say, 1 kW. What do you guys think?
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Kipmans, Wed Apr 28 2010, 12:45PM
I've given the failure some thought and there appeared to be internal arcover. This is probably also why the output suddenly disappeared: the voltage got so high that the preferred discharge path became something on the inside of my secondary instead of the air.
All this left a burned discharge path at the inside of the secondary. Fortunately, it looks like it didn't go entirely through so the wire is still undamaged and I can Dremel the charred track away.
What I'm going to do next (in a week or two):
- Repair the secondary
- Mount the toroid in such a way that internal arcover is less likely (and also in such a way that I can actually see what's arcing to what)
- Replace the glue on the toroid with something more heat resistant
- Try again and hope it doesn't fail
Kipmans, Wed Apr 28 2010, 12:45PM
I've given the failure some thought and there appeared to be internal arcover. This is probably also why the output suddenly disappeared: the voltage got so high that the preferred discharge path became something on the inside of my secondary instead of the air.
All this left a burned discharge path at the inside of the secondary. Fortunately, it looks like it didn't go entirely through so the wire is still undamaged and I can Dremel the charred track away.
What I'm going to do next (in a week or two):
- Repair the secondary
- Mount the toroid in such a way that internal arcover is less likely (and also in such a way that I can actually see what's arcing to what)
- Replace the glue on the toroid with something more heat resistant
- Try again and hope it doesn't fail
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Mads Barnkob, Wed Apr 28 2010, 04:03PM
Pushing 2kW in CW mode my topload, secondary, primary and heatsinks would heat a good amount.
Mads Barnkob, Wed Apr 28 2010, 04:03PM
Pushing 2kW in CW mode my topload, secondary, primary and heatsinks would heat a good amount.
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Kipmans, Wed Apr 28 2010, 07:18PM
Yeah, it's not that surprising really. That 2 kW has to go somewhere...
It's too bad I won't be able to work on the TC for a while, because I really want to get it going again
Kipmans, Wed Apr 28 2010, 07:18PM
Yeah, it's not that surprising really. That 2 kW has to go somewhere...
It's too bad I won't be able to work on the TC for a while, because I really want to get it going again
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Luca, Wed Apr 28 2010, 08:11PM
Hopefully they should go into the sparks...
Luca
Luca, Wed Apr 28 2010, 08:11PM
Kipmans wrote ...
Yeah, it's not that surprising really. That 2 kW has to go somewhere...
Yeah, it's not that surprising really. That 2 kW has to go somewhere...
Hopefully they should go into the sparks...
Luca
Re: My improved SSTC, first impressions
Kipmans, Sun May 09 2010, 11:07AM
Yesterday, I spent the whole day making a new toroid mounting (placing the toroid higher) and completing the base.
Here's a pic:
I managed to drop the toroid on two occasions yesterday, which is why it looks all messed up.
There is, however, a problem. When I still had the coil sitting next to the base, everything worked perfectly. With the new toroid mounting, the sparks were better than last time and toroid heating was considerabely less.
Now that I have mounted the coil on top of the base it only works for maybe 10 seconds and then stops. The only way to get it going again is to turn off the input voltage and wait until the voltage on the bridge has gone down to zero.
I'll have to investigate the cause of this. Right now, I'm thinking its some kind of interference issue.
Kipmans, Sun May 09 2010, 11:07AM
Yesterday, I spent the whole day making a new toroid mounting (placing the toroid higher) and completing the base.
Here's a pic:
I managed to drop the toroid on two occasions yesterday, which is why it looks all messed up.
There is, however, a problem. When I still had the coil sitting next to the base, everything worked perfectly. With the new toroid mounting, the sparks were better than last time and toroid heating was considerabely less.
Now that I have mounted the coil on top of the base it only works for maybe 10 seconds and then stops. The only way to get it going again is to turn off the input voltage and wait until the voltage on the bridge has gone down to zero.
I'll have to investigate the cause of this. Right now, I'm thinking its some kind of interference issue.
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