want to buy a pole pig
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 12:25AMwould anyone here sell me a pole pig? i am in need of one, i am selling some of my fav things to raise money and have so far come up with 140. i would like to have a 5 Kva 2 bushing 14.4kv unit and if anyone can help me get one that would be great, i will try and come up with more money if needed.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
GimpyJoe, Sun Mar 26 2006, 01:29AM
Just get yourself some MOT's.
GimpyJoe, Sun Mar 26 2006, 01:29AM
Just get yourself some MOT's.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Mike, Sun Mar 26 2006, 02:18AM
Not to rain on your thread but do you have an idea of the weight/size of pole pigs?
It could easily weigh like 200+lbs, and that shipping will really be a pain.
Mike, Sun Mar 26 2006, 02:18AM
Not to rain on your thread but do you have an idea of the weight/size of pole pigs?
It could easily weigh like 200+lbs, and that shipping will really be a pain.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 02:57AM
i have somone in texas and i can get shipping down to 191.84 so idk but yes i know these sob's are probably hella heavy, is anyone on here in southern utah or california or nevada or northern arizona?
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 02:57AM
i have somone in texas and i can get shipping down to 191.84 so idk but yes i know these sob's are probably hella heavy, is anyone on here in southern utah or california or nevada or northern arizona?
Re: want to buy a pole pig
GimpyJoe, Sun Mar 26 2006, 03:52AM
You DON'T NEED a pig to get 5KVA+! Look at TDU's site!
GimpyJoe, Sun Mar 26 2006, 03:52AM
You DON'T NEED a pig to get 5KVA+! Look at TDU's site!
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Mike, Sun Mar 26 2006, 06:12AM
haha yeh mots would work, but also, sometimes a power company will give you one, its a small chance, but call em up if you havent already, explain your problem, ask if theyve got any old units they would be willing to donate for experimentation and exclaim that you can practice safety!
Mike, Sun Mar 26 2006, 06:12AM
haha yeh mots would work, but also, sometimes a power company will give you one, its a small chance, but call em up if you havent already, explain your problem, ask if theyve got any old units they would be willing to donate for experimentation and exclaim that you can practice safety!
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 07:14AM
i tried mots and they got messed up and i have wanted a pig fo the longest time and ill try power company again so ill let anyone know im still looking cuz power company closed sunday how should i go about asking for one, especially me being 16, over the fone tho i got a deep voice :P well any help would be appreciated on the old site there was a link to an ebay page would anyone happen to have it? they were pigs for 300 and free shipping to some places
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 07:14AM
i tried mots and they got messed up and i have wanted a pig fo the longest time and ill try power company again so ill let anyone know im still looking cuz power company closed sunday how should i go about asking for one, especially me being 16, over the fone tho i got a deep voice :P well any help would be appreciated on the old site there was a link to an ebay page would anyone happen to have it? they were pigs for 300 and free shipping to some places
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 06:04PM
ya i know,. as far aws me moving goes my parents would be ok with a pig staying with them and all, so i wouldnt get rid of it, good idea with the core thing, and thanks for helpin me so far
, Sun Mar 26 2006, 06:04PM
ya i know,. as far aws me moving goes my parents would be ok with a pig staying with them and all, so i wouldnt get rid of it, good idea with the core thing, and thanks for helpin me so far
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Quantum Singularity, Mon Mar 27 2006, 05:49AM
I bought my pole pig online from a company called austin international. You might try a search, its been a few years though. I paid $75 for 10kVA 20kV single pole distro xfrmer. Shipping should have been about $150 but they quoted me $75 and I held em to it (a few phone calls). Just a word of advice... make sure you really need one! There extremely cumbersome, dangerous, and you need to have something to plug em into. I had mine in my dads garage wich he was still wiring. I slapped in a 100A 220V breaker and wired the leads straight into the breaker and used it as my on/off switch. Your electric oven plug or perhaps dryer plug may work for low power levels 20/30A ish. Also, if youre using it for tesla coils, jacob's ladders, or other things wich cause an electrical short to be seen by the supply then you need to ballast it. I had an old 275A arc welder I wired in series with the pole pig for variable ballast. After I bough it I have never really used it either. Its just too big for anything. I have yet to build a tesla coil that could take advantage of such power. I have used it just once, making a large jacobs ladder. It was just a one time thing though, not really convinient having to wire it straight into the panel box. Some day I'll use it I hope.
Quantum Singularity, Mon Mar 27 2006, 05:49AM
I bought my pole pig online from a company called austin international. You might try a search, its been a few years though. I paid $75 for 10kVA 20kV single pole distro xfrmer. Shipping should have been about $150 but they quoted me $75 and I held em to it (a few phone calls). Just a word of advice... make sure you really need one! There extremely cumbersome, dangerous, and you need to have something to plug em into. I had mine in my dads garage wich he was still wiring. I slapped in a 100A 220V breaker and wired the leads straight into the breaker and used it as my on/off switch. Your electric oven plug or perhaps dryer plug may work for low power levels 20/30A ish. Also, if youre using it for tesla coils, jacob's ladders, or other things wich cause an electrical short to be seen by the supply then you need to ballast it. I had an old 275A arc welder I wired in series with the pole pig for variable ballast. After I bough it I have never really used it either. Its just too big for anything. I have yet to build a tesla coil that could take advantage of such power. I have used it just once, making a large jacobs ladder. It was just a one time thing though, not really convinient having to wire it straight into the panel box. Some day I'll use it I hope.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Mon Mar 27 2006, 07:26AM
I see a death and a lawsuit coming.
16 is way too young to be 'playing' with this kind of power. Hell, I have a PT, 27, and have the fear of God in me about working with it, and I'm not even religous!
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Mon Mar 27 2006, 07:26AM
I see a death and a lawsuit coming.
16 is way too young to be 'playing' with this kind of power. Hell, I have a PT, 27, and have the fear of God in me about working with it, and I'm not even religous!
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Mon Mar 27 2006, 08:03PM
wow 75 bucks? that sounds great, i got a 240v50a plug so i am pretty sure this will handle a 5kva well, and i think i am going to go about making a ballast as well and this should be great, i will pull a search on that company as well, and btw i am very careful with my equipment and this will be extra care to use this.
, Mon Mar 27 2006, 08:03PM
wow 75 bucks? that sounds great, i got a 240v50a plug so i am pretty sure this will handle a 5kva well, and i think i am going to go about making a ballast as well and this should be great, i will pull a search on that company as well, and btw i am very careful with my equipment and this will be extra care to use this.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Quantum Singularity, Mon Mar 27 2006, 10:34PM
Yeah, I paid $150 total for this including shipping. That is a deal you wont often come by though. BTW, I was 19 in the pic. But I must stress again that you really have to have a need for something this big. Mine is rated at 20kV and 10kVA (it was cheaper and lighter than the few 5kVA units that were available at the time). I have run this up to about 20kVA on a Jacobs ladder for 20 seconds or so at a time.
I have used a GE instrument transformer (aka P.T.) 14,400V ran up to about 5kVA for short durations just fine. It is about 1 foot square, rolls around really easy, and you can pick it up without needing a 2 ton shop hoist.
Here is the PT, sorry for the poor quality pic though. Its not mine, was borrowed at the time.
Quantum Singularity, Mon Mar 27 2006, 10:34PM
Yeah, I paid $150 total for this including shipping. That is a deal you wont often come by though. BTW, I was 19 in the pic. But I must stress again that you really have to have a need for something this big. Mine is rated at 20kV and 10kVA (it was cheaper and lighter than the few 5kVA units that were available at the time). I have run this up to about 20kVA on a Jacobs ladder for 20 seconds or so at a time.
I have used a GE instrument transformer (aka P.T.) 14,400V ran up to about 5kVA for short durations just fine. It is about 1 foot square, rolls around really easy, and you can pick it up without needing a 2 ton shop hoist.
Here is the PT, sorry for the poor quality pic though. Its not mine, was borrowed at the time.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Mon Mar 27 2006, 11:33PM
damn i really want one of those! i got 190 dollars at the moment and i am sellin stuff and pullin weeds to get more money! i would go for a PT too but i think those pole pigs just look cool lol idk why but i just do, lets see ive emailed like a lot of different companies for quotes so maybe i will come by something like that, i would actually prefer a 10 kva because i can start out low and work my way higher and higher power, well hopefully i can find one for under 400 dollars
, Mon Mar 27 2006, 11:33PM
damn i really want one of those! i got 190 dollars at the moment and i am sellin stuff and pullin weeds to get more money! i would go for a PT too but i think those pole pigs just look cool lol idk why but i just do, lets see ive emailed like a lot of different companies for quotes so maybe i will come by something like that, i would actually prefer a 10 kva because i can start out low and work my way higher and higher power, well hopefully i can find one for under 400 dollars
Re: want to buy a pole pig
HV Enthusiast, Thu Mar 30 2006, 07:19PM
Since you are just starting out (at least thats what i think you said before), a PT is a perfect choice - much better than a pole transformer. The 14.4kV PT shown in the above photo is good for about 240mA output current and a ballast consisting of 500ft of 12AWG wire (just a spool from Home Depot for about $10.00) provides just about 240mA output.
If you are interested, and near the philadelphia area, i have quite a few of these for sale still. Contact me PM if interested. Pick-up only.
HV Enthusiast, Thu Mar 30 2006, 07:19PM
Since you are just starting out (at least thats what i think you said before), a PT is a perfect choice - much better than a pole transformer. The 14.4kV PT shown in the above photo is good for about 240mA output current and a ballast consisting of 500ft of 12AWG wire (just a spool from Home Depot for about $10.00) provides just about 240mA output.
If you are interested, and near the philadelphia area, i have quite a few of these for sale still. Contact me PM if interested. Pick-up only.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 12:20AM
ha so far 190 dollars, im on my way, i am getting 150 more this weekend and so then i will have 340, i found a site that will sell a 5 kva pig for 300 + shipping which will likely be bout 200 dollars so i have to get a lil more money
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 12:20AM
ha so far 190 dollars, im on my way, i am getting 150 more this weekend and so then i will have 340, i found a site that will sell a 5 kva pig for 300 + shipping which will likely be bout 200 dollars so i have to get a lil more money
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Desmogod, Fri Mar 31 2006, 01:10AM
Have you built a TC at all yet?
For the cost of your Pig, you could make an entire SGTC, secondary, caps, Xfmr etc
Desmogod, Fri Mar 31 2006, 01:10AM
Have you built a TC at all yet?
For the cost of your Pig, you could make an entire SGTC, secondary, caps, Xfmr etc
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 02:25AM
yes i have made a coil all the way up to a 5 mot stack so i think that i am ready to move up to something "professional" i am still planning on trying out mmc because it is supposed to be a good easy cap for tcs and i am sure will be somewhat expensive
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 02:25AM
yes i have made a coil all the way up to a 5 mot stack so i think that i am ready to move up to something "professional" i am still planning on trying out mmc because it is supposed to be a good easy cap for tcs and i am sure will be somewhat expensive
Re: want to buy a pole pig
HV Enthusiast, Fri Mar 31 2006, 02:25AM
I also need to add, that if you get a pole transformer, you'll also need the following:
1. Ballast
2. Large Variac
3. Protection (fusing, etc...)
If you haven't built a TC yet, a pole transformer powered coil adds a lot of extras that aren't required with lower power NST units etc...
HV Enthusiast, Fri Mar 31 2006, 02:25AM
I also need to add, that if you get a pole transformer, you'll also need the following:
1. Ballast
2. Large Variac
3. Protection (fusing, etc...)
If you haven't built a TC yet, a pole transformer powered coil adds a lot of extras that aren't required with lower power NST units etc...
Re: want to buy a pole pig
GimpyJoe, Fri Mar 31 2006, 03:59AM
How so? And let's have some more details about your experience with HV. Right now I think getting you a pig would be about as responsible as sending you a loaded gun. I don't mean to seem like a jerk, but I'd rather not see you on the news...
GimpyJoe, Fri Mar 31 2006, 03:59AM
teslas son wrote ...
i tried mots and they got messed up
i tried mots and they got messed up
How so? And let's have some more details about your experience with HV. Right now I think getting you a pig would be about as responsible as sending you a loaded gun. I don't mean to seem like a jerk, but I'd rather not see you on the news...
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 04:39AM
i had them wired together and welded all the cores together, and i am not sure if the fact that they were all welded together created a voltage effect but it arced in the secondaries i have made a few nst coils and a coil with my mots which broke on the second run in halloween, i know what you mean to funky its better safe than sorry but i am still after a pig and i will eventually need it, and evr i know i need a ballast, why do i need a variac? also by fusing its on a circuit breaker so will this count as fusing? 25ov 50 A breaker so that should be able to supply 12.5 kva if my math is right?
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 04:39AM
i had them wired together and welded all the cores together, and i am not sure if the fact that they were all welded together created a voltage effect but it arced in the secondaries i have made a few nst coils and a coil with my mots which broke on the second run in halloween, i know what you mean to funky its better safe than sorry but i am still after a pig and i will eventually need it, and evr i know i need a ballast, why do i need a variac? also by fusing its on a circuit breaker so will this count as fusing? 25ov 50 A breaker so that should be able to supply 12.5 kva if my math is right?
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Michael W., Fri Mar 31 2006, 05:07AM
a variac so the Pole Pig is not always running on full power, or so if something is wrong you can slowly bring up the voltage so it isn't slammed with 120V (or 240V) and explodes.
Michael W., Fri Mar 31 2006, 05:07AM
a variac so the Pole Pig is not always running on full power, or so if something is wrong you can slowly bring up the voltage so it isn't slammed with 120V (or 240V) and explodes.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 05:11AM
o ok also it would be 240 v! i think thid would be worse too!
, Fri Mar 31 2006, 05:11AM
o ok also it would be 240 v! i think thid would be worse too!
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Quantum Singularity, Tue Apr 11 2006, 12:06AM
Youll need a really BIG variac if you plan on going over 10kVA - probably as hard to get reasonably cheap as a pole pig. An old used arc welder from an auction was what worked for me. It was $1, covered in rust, no welding cables, and the adjustment handle was seized up. Took about 2 hours one day, got the old case off it, and slowly worked the handle until I got it moving. Its been a while but if I remember correct I shorted the welding cable terminals together, and ran the 220V 'plug' in series with the pole pig. This provided excellent control on a high power jacobs ladder. The welder was originally rated at 275A welding current. All the way on low it ballasted the pig to about a few amp draw, wide open it was up to about 100A on my clamp on meter.
BTW, I wouldnt worry too much about the kVA rating, just make sure to get the V thats in your range. Most pole pigs could deliver 2X or 3X there rated kVA for short runs. Unless your planning on making like a 50' tall tesla coil then you might need some big ones.
Quantum Singularity, Tue Apr 11 2006, 12:06AM
Youll need a really BIG variac if you plan on going over 10kVA - probably as hard to get reasonably cheap as a pole pig. An old used arc welder from an auction was what worked for me. It was $1, covered in rust, no welding cables, and the adjustment handle was seized up. Took about 2 hours one day, got the old case off it, and slowly worked the handle until I got it moving. Its been a while but if I remember correct I shorted the welding cable terminals together, and ran the 220V 'plug' in series with the pole pig. This provided excellent control on a high power jacobs ladder. The welder was originally rated at 275A welding current. All the way on low it ballasted the pig to about a few amp draw, wide open it was up to about 100A on my clamp on meter.
BTW, I wouldnt worry too much about the kVA rating, just make sure to get the V thats in your range. Most pole pigs could deliver 2X or 3X there rated kVA for short runs. Unless your planning on making like a 50' tall tesla coil then you might need some big ones.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 01:11AM
o no i think that i am going to run 5 or 10 kva and with the arc welder, if you put so the current for welding would be higher you would put more power to the pig right?
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 01:11AM
o no i think that i am going to run 5 or 10 kva and with the arc welder, if you put so the current for welding would be higher you would put more power to the pig right?
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Omicron, Tue Apr 11 2006, 01:16AM
I side with Funkey, the danger of the pole pig is way to high, you dont seem to respct it, you are 16 years old and have truble opaning an Ipod, that just spells diaster, If you kill yourself, the forum could be sued.most of us here have much more expereance than you and most of us would not take a Pig Pole if it was offerd, you also seam to not know what to do with it In several post you say Telsa coil, but in others you say JL.
If you are desperate to get one though Call the power copany and say its for a project.
Omicron, Tue Apr 11 2006, 01:16AM
I side with Funkey, the danger of the pole pig is way to high, you dont seem to respct it, you are 16 years old and have truble opaning an Ipod, that just spells diaster, If you kill yourself, the forum could be sued.most of us here have much more expereance than you and most of us would not take a Pig Pole if it was offerd, you also seam to not know what to do with it In several post you say Telsa coil, but in others you say JL.
If you are desperate to get one though Call the power copany and say its for a project.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 02:14AM
I want to do jacobs ladder then a tesla coil with it, also btw how could the forum be sued if something happened? for giving advice? i am not trying to be an ass but i am getting one one way or another. and i am asking how to open the ipod becuz i dont want to have any damage to it and that i still want it to be operational when i get it opened.
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 02:14AM
I want to do jacobs ladder then a tesla coil with it, also btw how could the forum be sued if something happened? for giving advice? i am not trying to be an ass but i am getting one one way or another. and i am asking how to open the ipod becuz i dont want to have any damage to it and that i still want it to be operational when i get it opened.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Tue Apr 11 2006, 02:41AM
I wish I could talk to your parents for 5 minutes about the danger.
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Tue Apr 11 2006, 02:41AM
I wish I could talk to your parents for 5 minutes about the danger.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 03:05AM
well i have told them because they were questioning me getting one, and they know i work very safely and that i need to be supervised when i use it as an extra precaution so that wouldnt be necessary hazmatt
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 03:05AM
well i have told them because they were questioning me getting one, and they know i work very safely and that i need to be supervised when i use it as an extra precaution so that wouldnt be necessary hazmatt
Re: want to buy a pole pig
GimpyJoe, Tue Apr 11 2006, 03:10AM
I'm sixteen also, probably because my parents wouldn't let me get a pig last year. Now that I understand the dangers better, I don't even want one anymore. MOT's are much cheaper, lighter, and more convenient than pole pigs, which means the only good reason you would need a pig is to run +10kva. Since you don't want to do this anyway, it seems like you just want to make yourself look like a pro, sort of like the people who go out and buy huge tires and suspension and fog lights for their pick-up trucks and then never drive them on anything larger than a speed bump.
GimpyJoe, Tue Apr 11 2006, 03:10AM
I'm sixteen also, probably because my parents wouldn't let me get a pig last year. Now that I understand the dangers better, I don't even want one anymore. MOT's are much cheaper, lighter, and more convenient than pole pigs, which means the only good reason you would need a pig is to run +10kva. Since you don't want to do this anyway, it seems like you just want to make yourself look like a pro, sort of like the people who go out and buy huge tires and suspension and fog lights for their pick-up trucks and then never drive them on anything larger than a speed bump.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 03:42AM
yes i see what you mean ant to tell the truth i also think pigs just look really cool and all too
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 03:42AM
yes i see what you mean ant to tell the truth i also think pigs just look really cool and all too
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Desmogod, Tue Apr 11 2006, 04:18AM
Nobody is going to sell you one from this forum, I guarantee it.
This thread has turned into a chat, not you buying a pole pig.
Part 1 C of the rules also clearly states...
I ask for this thread to be locked.
Desmogod, Tue Apr 11 2006, 04:18AM
Nobody is going to sell you one from this forum, I guarantee it.
This thread has turned into a chat, not you buying a pole pig.
Part 1 C of the rules also clearly states...
wrote ...
C. Be clear and concise. Do not type ALL IN CAPS, do not use 1337-5p33k, and do not type everything in long run on sentences with no breaks or punctuation because they're very hard to follow along with and we all dont like them. If you have a problem with spelling, spell-check your posts.
C. Be clear and concise. Do not type ALL IN CAPS, do not use 1337-5p33k, and do not type everything in long run on sentences with no breaks or punctuation because they're very hard to follow along with and we all dont like them. If you have a problem with spelling, spell-check your posts.
I ask for this thread to be locked.
Re: want to buy a pole pig
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 05:11AM
well i have no problem in this being locked so whatever, but it seems like all my threads relating to my pole pigs are being locked and i dont see any reason why, and to be honest i was just hoping to find a good deal and i have already realized that i am not going to be getting one from any one on here. also i see no rule being broken in there...
, Tue Apr 11 2006, 05:11AM
well i have no problem in this being locked so whatever, but it seems like all my threads relating to my pole pigs are being locked and i dont see any reason why, and to be honest i was just hoping to find a good deal and i have already realized that i am not going to be getting one from any one on here. also i see no rule being broken in there...
Re: want to buy a pole pig
Chris Russell, Tue Apr 11 2006, 05:25AM
If you can't see that you're not being clear and concise, I truly feel sorry for you. Your posts are almost impossible to read. You reject well-intended advice because you want something that "looks cool."
Some people here are, unfortunately, being a tad hard on you. Most of them, however, are genuinely concerned for your safety, especially because of concerns that 4hv.org might somehow be held liable if you should kill yourself. Looking over your posting history, I can see that there's no way we're going to convince you to be safe. All I can do at this point is bid you farewell. I hope someday you are able to come to terms with what is and what is not within your grasp.
Chris Russell, Tue Apr 11 2006, 05:25AM
If you can't see that you're not being clear and concise, I truly feel sorry for you. Your posts are almost impossible to read. You reject well-intended advice because you want something that "looks cool."
Some people here are, unfortunately, being a tad hard on you. Most of them, however, are genuinely concerned for your safety, especially because of concerns that 4hv.org might somehow be held liable if you should kill yourself. Looking over your posting history, I can see that there's no way we're going to convince you to be safe. All I can do at this point is bid you farewell. I hope someday you are able to come to terms with what is and what is not within your grasp.
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