Farewell frrom Stella
Proud Mary, Thu Oct 30 2014, 07:02PMMany days have now gone by since last I made a two financial contributions to this site.
I am an old age pensioner, for whom money is no easy matter, but no acknowledgement has ever been received.
I am aware of very nasty transphobic attacks coming from overseas, but doubt that this is responsible.
To those who have been my friends over the last ten years, I wish you well.
To the fascists and transphobes and embezzalers - what can one say? Little people.
My love to the people who know I care for them.
With much love to those whose have been my friends,
Stellla XXXX
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Mads Barnkob, Thu Oct 30 2014, 08:40PM
Dear Stella
First I would be sad to see you leave 4hv, you have a wide knowledge and I have learned much from reading your replies.
I donated 10$ in August and I do not see my name highlighted either. I do not have any suspension that the reason for that should be my sexual orientation, just as little as it should be for yours sake.
Do not make this an argument about something it is absolutely not about, if this thread goes further in that direction I will lock it.
Have you tried contacting Chris and ask what is going on?
Mads Barnkob, Thu Oct 30 2014, 08:40PM
Dear Stella
First I would be sad to see you leave 4hv, you have a wide knowledge and I have learned much from reading your replies.
I donated 10$ in August and I do not see my name highlighted either. I do not have any suspension that the reason for that should be my sexual orientation, just as little as it should be for yours sake.
Do not make this an argument about something it is absolutely not about, if this thread goes further in that direction I will lock it.
Have you tried contacting Chris and ask what is going on?
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Thomas W, Thu Oct 30 2014, 08:55PM
I will really miss you Stella, you did help me out a large amount with some parts. Im rather upset that Chris has not bothered to update the list of the money i also donated in your steed as well for the parts you sent me, Yet he never did update the thing, the last time i recieved a message from him was some weeks ago saying he would 'get round to it some time'. I have a feeling Chris is no longer caring for the site and more likely just leaves it up for us.
Im actually wondering if its about time to set up a new 4HV or try and get ownership passed onto someone who is more regular on the site, i cannot actually remember the last time Chris ever posted.
However.. Rest assured you will be missed Stella. Best of luck on your future endevors.
However i along with mads also do not think it is anything to do with sexual oriantation or things along that line.
Thomas W, Thu Oct 30 2014, 08:55PM
I will really miss you Stella, you did help me out a large amount with some parts. Im rather upset that Chris has not bothered to update the list of the money i also donated in your steed as well for the parts you sent me, Yet he never did update the thing, the last time i recieved a message from him was some weeks ago saying he would 'get round to it some time'. I have a feeling Chris is no longer caring for the site and more likely just leaves it up for us.
Im actually wondering if its about time to set up a new 4HV or try and get ownership passed onto someone who is more regular on the site, i cannot actually remember the last time Chris ever posted.
However.. Rest assured you will be missed Stella. Best of luck on your future endevors.
However i along with mads also do not think it is anything to do with sexual oriantation or things along that line.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Patrick, Thu Oct 30 2014, 11:17PM
PM sent Proud Mary, please reply.
If its a matter of money, i could donate again to keep the forum going, but ill have to tighten the belt a notch. I dont know how much a site like this costs per month, but i need this forum.
Patrick, Thu Oct 30 2014, 11:17PM
PM sent Proud Mary, please reply.
If its a matter of money, i could donate again to keep the forum going, but ill have to tighten the belt a notch. I dont know how much a site like this costs per month, but i need this forum.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Fri Oct 31 2014, 12:51AM
Who are these phantom transphobic attackers from overseas?
I think you are being hyper-sensitive again, just like ages ago when you had the conversion, lashed out at the forum for no good reason, WHEN you had support from others, and then it was all kisses and hugs again.
If you're looking for recognition... I changed my name to "the underdog" of all things because ... Hell.. my birthday doesn't even show up on the birthday list... but you know what... I've never been popular, celebrated, or recognized, and I'm over it. Getting kicked to the curb is just part of life.
Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Fri Oct 31 2014, 12:51AM
Who are these phantom transphobic attackers from overseas?
I think you are being hyper-sensitive again, just like ages ago when you had the conversion, lashed out at the forum for no good reason, WHEN you had support from others, and then it was all kisses and hugs again.
If you're looking for recognition... I changed my name to "the underdog" of all things because ... Hell.. my birthday doesn't even show up on the birthday list... but you know what... I've never been popular, celebrated, or recognized, and I'm over it. Getting kicked to the curb is just part of life.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Carbon_Rod, Fri Oct 31 2014, 03:55AM
Actually, I have found your input over the years rather impressive, and offers a rare understanding of rather unique scientific interests. IIRC, I had recommended talking with someone to help you deal with the complex stresses in your life. I had hoped you may find a way of handling the things that upset you in a less traumatic way.
In academic behavioral studies it is known that if a person believes a place does not find them favorable, they will unconsciously behave in a disagreeable manner. Note, people will often find they are far more judgmental of their own behavior than their community.
Try this site:
Hint: Happiness is finding a balance between a meaningful life, and a pleasant life.
...this observation has a statistical proof if you need citations...
=)
Carbon_Rod, Fri Oct 31 2014, 03:55AM
Actually, I have found your input over the years rather impressive, and offers a rare understanding of rather unique scientific interests. IIRC, I had recommended talking with someone to help you deal with the complex stresses in your life. I had hoped you may find a way of handling the things that upset you in a less traumatic way.
In academic behavioral studies it is known that if a person believes a place does not find them favorable, they will unconsciously behave in a disagreeable manner. Note, people will often find they are far more judgmental of their own behavior than their community.
Try this site:
Hint: Happiness is finding a balance between a meaningful life, and a pleasant life.
...this observation has a statistical proof if you need citations...
=)
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Sulaiman, Fri Oct 31 2014, 06:20AM
Stella,
please don't leave ... you are one of our guiding lights.
I understand lack of appreciation but don't let that get to you
(I've no idea what insults you've received but as you say .. Little People)
many of us have benefited from your knowledge
and you should stay to help the community.
If you do abandon us ...
thanks for your participation here, and good luck in the future, you WILL be missed.
P.S. Chris is not active here ... sometimes my meagre donations have taken weeks to be highlighted on the list, and although I haven't donated for ages my name is still highlighted.
Chris, that's not a complaint ... just an observation
... I and many others appreciate this site so PLEASE keep it going.
(Guilt motivated donation just sent !)
Sulaiman, Fri Oct 31 2014, 06:20AM
Stella,
please don't leave ... you are one of our guiding lights.
I understand lack of appreciation but don't let that get to you
(I've no idea what insults you've received but as you say .. Little People)
many of us have benefited from your knowledge
and you should stay to help the community.
If you do abandon us ...
thanks for your participation here, and good luck in the future, you WILL be missed.
P.S. Chris is not active here ... sometimes my meagre donations have taken weeks to be highlighted on the list, and although I haven't donated for ages my name is still highlighted.
Chris, that's not a complaint ... just an observation
... I and many others appreciate this site so PLEASE keep it going.
(Guilt motivated donation just sent !)
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Proud Mary, Fri Oct 31 2014, 09:57AM
13th Century, Damascus: The Islamic scholar and Sunni legal authority Imam An-Nawawi (1234-78 CE) writes that:
"A mukhannath is the one who carries in his movements, in his appearance and in his language the characteristics of a woman. There are two types; the first is the one in whom these characteristics are innate, he did not put them on by himself, and therein is no guilt, no blame and no shame, as long as he does not perform any illicit act or exploit it for money. The second type acts like a woman out of immoral purposes and he is the sinner and blameworthy."*
*Ref: Rowson EK, The Effeminates of Early Medina, J. Am. Oriental Soc 111 (4): 671-693, 1991
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Pre-1979
In 1963, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wrote a book in which he stated that there was no religious restriction on corrective surgery for intersex individuals, though this did not apply to those without physical ambiguity in sex organs. At the time Khomeini was a radical, anti-Shah revolutionary and his fatwas did not carry any weight with the Imperial government, which did not have any specific policies regarding transsexual individuals.[1]
Proud Mary, Fri Oct 31 2014, 09:57AM
13th Century, Damascus: The Islamic scholar and Sunni legal authority Imam An-Nawawi (1234-78 CE) writes that:
"A mukhannath is the one who carries in his movements, in his appearance and in his language the characteristics of a woman. There are two types; the first is the one in whom these characteristics are innate, he did not put them on by himself, and therein is no guilt, no blame and no shame, as long as he does not perform any illicit act or exploit it for money. The second type acts like a woman out of immoral purposes and he is the sinner and blameworthy."*
*Ref: Rowson EK, The Effeminates of Early Medina, J. Am. Oriental Soc 111 (4): 671-693, 1991
===========
Pre-1979
In 1963, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wrote a book in which he stated that there was no religious restriction on corrective surgery for intersex individuals, though this did not apply to those without physical ambiguity in sex organs. At the time Khomeini was a radical, anti-Shah revolutionary and his fatwas did not carry any weight with the Imperial government, which did not have any specific policies regarding transsexual individuals.[1]
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Dr. Slack, Fri Oct 31 2014, 10:58AM
Hi Stella,
I'm glad you have this family that you can kick out against every few years, when whatever is getting you down gets too much. There aren't many places on the web, or in meat-space for that matter, where you will have this level of support. This forum is quite unusual in its small size, self-selecting intelligent posters, and very strong anti-tin-hat ethos, which together can give you a lot of very supportive people on tap. There will be some here who are nasty, but that's pretty inescapable in life.
If you do stop posting for a while, carry on lurking at least. If you want to chat by PM, please do. I'm sure there will be others here who may be amenable to continuing conversation.
good luck
Dr. Slack, Fri Oct 31 2014, 10:58AM
Hi Stella,
I'm glad you have this family that you can kick out against every few years, when whatever is getting you down gets too much. There aren't many places on the web, or in meat-space for that matter, where you will have this level of support. This forum is quite unusual in its small size, self-selecting intelligent posters, and very strong anti-tin-hat ethos, which together can give you a lot of very supportive people on tap. There will be some here who are nasty, but that's pretty inescapable in life.
If you do stop posting for a while, carry on lurking at least. If you want to chat by PM, please do. I'm sure there will be others here who may be amenable to continuing conversation.
good luck
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Uspring, Fri Oct 31 2014, 12:07PM
Hi Stella,
I've donated some time ago to this list. I was asked by Chris, whether I wanted to have my name on the contributors list. I declined, since I don't care too much about that. Neither it is too important for me, who else shows up there, as long as there is enough money to keep it going.
What I do care about is your online persona. I learned to appreciate a technically skilled person with a heart big enough to also be concerned about our planet. This is what matters.
Uspring, Fri Oct 31 2014, 12:07PM
Hi Stella,
I've donated some time ago to this list. I was asked by Chris, whether I wanted to have my name on the contributors list. I declined, since I don't care too much about that. Neither it is too important for me, who else shows up there, as long as there is enough money to keep it going.
What I do care about is your online persona. I learned to appreciate a technically skilled person with a heart big enough to also be concerned about our planet. This is what matters.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Chris Russell, Fri Oct 31 2014, 05:43PM
Hi all,
Please don't take any absence from me as disrespect. I have a very limited amount of time to spend on 4hv these days. Unfortunately, nearly every time I go to post, approve new members, or make other updates to the site, I discover someone is attempting to hack their way in, DDoS the site, crawl the site to copy all its content, or all other sorts of unpleasant nastiness that I have to sort out first. My number one priority is keeping the site up, though my efforts along those lines are not always visible, except that the site is still here.
I do appreciate the support I get from 4hv members, and I certainly will update the supporters list to reflect that when I'm not busy putting fires out. In the meantime, please be good to one another. I hope it goes without saying that any transphobic attacks brought to my attention will be dealt with, swiftly.
Chris Russell, Fri Oct 31 2014, 05:43PM
Hi all,
Please don't take any absence from me as disrespect. I have a very limited amount of time to spend on 4hv these days. Unfortunately, nearly every time I go to post, approve new members, or make other updates to the site, I discover someone is attempting to hack their way in, DDoS the site, crawl the site to copy all its content, or all other sorts of unpleasant nastiness that I have to sort out first. My number one priority is keeping the site up, though my efforts along those lines are not always visible, except that the site is still here.
I do appreciate the support I get from 4hv members, and I certainly will update the supporters list to reflect that when I'm not busy putting fires out. In the meantime, please be good to one another. I hope it goes without saying that any transphobic attacks brought to my attention will be dealt with, swiftly.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Conundrum, Fri Oct 31 2014, 08:59PM
Seems that this is a common problem, recently they found yet ANOTHER security hole present in many sites and recommended "if you are using this assume you've been hacked" .. Pretty horrendous.
PM, there are a lot of trolls around, the best way to avoid them is not to let them get you down.
I ran into one a while back and it take a lot of courage but they do eventually crawl back into the woodwork.
Conundrum, Fri Oct 31 2014, 08:59PM
Seems that this is a common problem, recently they found yet ANOTHER security hole present in many sites and recommended "if you are using this assume you've been hacked" .. Pretty horrendous.
PM, there are a lot of trolls around, the best way to avoid them is not to let them get you down.
I ran into one a while back and it take a lot of courage but they do eventually crawl back into the woodwork.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Electra, Sun Nov 02 2014, 11:55PM
Stella
I have seen you have contributed a lot by sharing your knowledge over the years, personally I think that's worth more. If you're no longer able to afford to donate then that's not unreasonable for you to say. Even if you don't always get recognition when you have done, I wouldn't generally conclude that's because your disliked in any way.
It's easy to make connections that don't exist, or because of one bad experience you may have had, you loose faith in everything. When in fact you're as much valued as anyone, and respected for you expertise and ability to help others.
No one can force you hang round, but you have the support of me and plenty of others here.
Electra, Sun Nov 02 2014, 11:55PM
Stella
I have seen you have contributed a lot by sharing your knowledge over the years, personally I think that's worth more. If you're no longer able to afford to donate then that's not unreasonable for you to say. Even if you don't always get recognition when you have done, I wouldn't generally conclude that's because your disliked in any way.
It's easy to make connections that don't exist, or because of one bad experience you may have had, you loose faith in everything. When in fact you're as much valued as anyone, and respected for you expertise and ability to help others.
No one can force you hang round, but you have the support of me and plenty of others here.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Ash Small, Mon Nov 03 2014, 01:21PM
Come on guys, PM has a point here. We all take pride in the 'high' standards maintained by 'our' forum, and Stella has every right to feel 'let down'. If Chris is too busy to attend to such 'details' then he should appoint someone else to keep track of donations, etc. (We owe it to ourselves to uphold the values, etc. that this forum is famous for).
I know how easy it is to get disillusioned when things seem to be going against you online ( I felt I was unreasonably treated on another forum before I discovered 4HV, and felt the whole forum was against me. It wasn't until I chatted to some members who are also members of this forum that I realised things weren't as bad as I'd thought).
If 4HV says people's names will be highlighted when they donate then this should be the case. We're all aware of the pain that can be caused by trolls, and of how easy it is to mis-interpret an 'oversight' as something possibly more sinister when experiencing percieved 'cyber persecution'.
Ash Small, Mon Nov 03 2014, 01:21PM
Come on guys, PM has a point here. We all take pride in the 'high' standards maintained by 'our' forum, and Stella has every right to feel 'let down'. If Chris is too busy to attend to such 'details' then he should appoint someone else to keep track of donations, etc. (We owe it to ourselves to uphold the values, etc. that this forum is famous for).
I know how easy it is to get disillusioned when things seem to be going against you online ( I felt I was unreasonably treated on another forum before I discovered 4HV, and felt the whole forum was against me. It wasn't until I chatted to some members who are also members of this forum that I realised things weren't as bad as I'd thought).
If 4HV says people's names will be highlighted when they donate then this should be the case. We're all aware of the pain that can be caused by trolls, and of how easy it is to mis-interpret an 'oversight' as something possibly more sinister when experiencing percieved 'cyber persecution'.
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
WaveRider, Mon Nov 03 2014, 02:55PM
Dear Proud Mary, aka Stella,
I have been very busy with work and family commitments in the last couple of years, so I have not made many contributions, both financial and technical, to the 4HV community lately..and I regret this. That does not mean that I don't lurk regularly in the forums. I greatly enjoy your bits of wisdom, inspired technical suggestions and occasional grumpiness! After years of reading your posts here, I believe the site would suffer an irreplaceable loss if you decided not to participate in 4HV any longer.
I ask you to reconsider your decision. I think it's fair to say that most (if not all) 4HVers are a pretty tolerant bunch especially when compared to the small minds of the public or the imbeciles that find voices even in national legislatures. That said, we can all make mistakes sometimes and say or do hurtful things to people we care about. The important thing is to stick around and try to discuss what is wrong and find possible solutions (when you feel the moment is right, of course).
Cheers!
WaveRider, Mon Nov 03 2014, 02:55PM
Dear Proud Mary, aka Stella,
I have been very busy with work and family commitments in the last couple of years, so I have not made many contributions, both financial and technical, to the 4HV community lately..and I regret this. That does not mean that I don't lurk regularly in the forums. I greatly enjoy your bits of wisdom, inspired technical suggestions and occasional grumpiness! After years of reading your posts here, I believe the site would suffer an irreplaceable loss if you decided not to participate in 4HV any longer.
I ask you to reconsider your decision. I think it's fair to say that most (if not all) 4HVers are a pretty tolerant bunch especially when compared to the small minds of the public or the imbeciles that find voices even in national legislatures. That said, we can all make mistakes sometimes and say or do hurtful things to people we care about. The important thing is to stick around and try to discuss what is wrong and find possible solutions (when you feel the moment is right, of course).
Cheers!
Re: Farewell frrom Stella
Conundrum, Wed Dec 17 2014, 12:47AM
I second that, Stella has helped me out a lot with projects and obscure components etc.
Conundrum, Wed Dec 17 2014, 12:47AM
I second that, Stella has helped me out a lot with projects and obscure components etc.
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