Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Sulaiman, Wed Apr 16 2014, 09:55AM

" I don't know what physic force the gears would be "
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a new sub-atomic particle .. 'gearons' ?

I think that your model would radiate an alternating magnetic field
so it cannot represent atomic structure.
(conservation of energy etc.)

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Andy, Wed Apr 16 2014, 10:31AM

Thanks Sulaiman
I think I'll have to read up some more about the understand of atoms, was just a idea.

Found some links, its going to take a month or so to understand, but I think the above model might be different.




This below, was something the produce some strange patterns with data from measurement tools, about atoms. I thought it might be relevant.

4032.600098 = 1(g/1000.6642)*Ekg)*360
g = 9.80665m/sec
Ekg = 9.1093

4032.600098 1
2016.300049 2
1344.200073 3
1008.150024 4
806.520020 5
672.100037 6
576.085754 7
504.075012 8
448.066681 9
403.260010 10
366.600006 11
336.050018 12
310.200012 13
288.042877 14
268.839996 15
252.037506 16
237.211777 17
224.033340 18
212.242111 19
201.630005 20
192.028580 21
183.300003 22
175.330444 23
168.025009 24
161.304001 25
155.100006 26
149.355560 27
144.021439 28
139.055176 29
134.419998 30
130.083878 31
126.018753 32
122.200005 33
118.605888 34
115.217148 35
112.016670 36
108.989189 37
106.121056 38
103.400002 39
100.815002 40
98.356102 41
96.014290 42
93.781395 43
91.650002 44
89.613335 45
87.665222 46
85.800003 47
84.012505 48
82.297958 49
80.652000 50
79.070587 51
77.550003 52
76.086792 53
74.677780 54
73.320000 55
72.010719 56
70.747368 57
69.527588 58
68.349152 59
67.209999 60
66.108200 61
65.041939 62
64.009529 63
63.009377 64
62.040001 65
61.100002 66
60.188061 67
59.302944 68
58.443481 69
57.608574 70
56.797184 71
56.008335 72
55.241096 73
54.494595 74
53.768002 75
53.060528 76
52.371429 77
51.700001 78
51.045570 79
50.407501 80
49.785187 81
49.178051 82
48.585545 83
48.007145 84
47.442352 85
46.890697 86
46.351727 87
45.825001 88
45.310112 89
44.806667 90
44.314285 91
43.832611 92
43.361290 93
42.900002 94
42.448421 95
42.006252 96
41.573196 97
41.148979 98
40.733334 99

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Andy, Sat Apr 19 2014, 02:09AM

Hi Sulaiman
I think this explains the

I think that your model would radiate an alternating magnetic field
so it cannot represent atomic structure.

If radiation from the suns, produce a electric potential throughout the solar system, it could have kicked started the fluctuation.

Thoughts?

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Conundrum, Sat Apr 19 2014, 07:10AM

Hmm. I think this sounds interesting.

The current consensus with superheavy atoms is that closed baryon shells ie doubly magic nuclei are much more stable against alpha decay due to the strong nuclear force but as a result are more prone to spontaneous fission.

The gear analogy is an interesting way to see this, however maybe weakly magnetic gears with small teeth would be a more accurate method?

See Warning: Nasty math with imaginary numbers
-A

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Andy, Sat Apr 19 2014, 08:53AM

Hi Conundrum

I'm not sure about the inner structure of the nucleus and weather it forms some type of halbach array, so some magnetic s from some neutrons get canceled, just that overall it should make a dipole magnetic.

I'm assuming that neutrons might switch between electrons and back, like beta decay but without leaving the nucleus, maybe get hit from some sub particle, or electrons that get close to protons is the stable form and that neutron/protons are the unstable form.


Don't know..

Thanks for the link.

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Conundrum, Sat Apr 19 2014, 10:36AM

Hmm.. interesting analogy.

I did have a thought about alternate decay modes, the recent work with isotopic enhancement of HTSC suggests that in theory energy normally contributing to rapid decay could decouple to the electron shells and be converted to Cooper pairs, allowing for longer half life.

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Andy, Sun Apr 20 2014, 01:06AM

With the Cooper pairs arrangement, if the orbit electrons went more to one side , it might change the magnetic field which is meant to be static(nucleus), and allow a neutron that is switching to a electron to escape from the otherside.

Found this link , which should explain part of the electron/electron interaction, and will see if I can add the 780/180 spin, in theory all the electrons could be on one half side of the nucleus at some point in time, but will probable need another atom close by, say a oxygen atom to make O2. If firing electrons at the two atoms, changes the orbits there should be noticeable effects, one oxygen atom is 504.075012, the 0.075012 mutliped by 2 atoms, assumes that one of the atoms becomes a isotope which matches the O15(15.0030656(5))+- in isotopic mass with two electron that transfer between atoms, should make it have some effects of Beryllium(Be8) with 8.00530510, mass

Because of its low density and atomic mass, beryllium is relatively transparent to X-rays and other forms of ionizing radiation

Maybe this is away to test the theory, create a plasma discharge in 100% oxygen and see if it is more transparent to X-rays, assuming that the weight/mass of Oxygen will drop to that of Beryllium, while the neutrons chance to electrons then back.

Pushing the theory some what to its limits, but there's no reason in its bounds to say it can't

The 1000.6642, is meant to take into account orbits of electrons, the 1000 is made up of 1meter radius 1kg and 10m/sec(gravity rounded, some calculation added from coulomb force of electron), with the 0.6642 the sun-(Jupiter+Saturn+earth+gravity offset), assuming that spinning electrons makes artificial gravity, with the right side the correction offset from being in the same gravity field. Don't no the name of the maths foumla, but is like xor, two inputs one output, the overall data makes a scale that can change based on the distance from the very center of the nucleus to the electron, plus the degrees of rotation, and mass, assuming that small masses speed up larger masses, while large slow down smaller masses. Its why the Sun is in the equation, as the gravity field will effect the orbits of electrons.
Foumla is designed to butchered

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Steve Conner, Sun Apr 20 2014, 08:21AM

Will you guys quit trying to explain quantum phenomena in terms of classical intuition?

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Conundrum, Tue Apr 22 2014, 04:50AM

Fair enough.. still interesting though.

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Andy, Tue Apr 29 2014, 10:06PM

Hi All

With help from someone on #hvcomm, creating software to simulate different atoms with electron motion, so far the program only generators the magnetic field of one electron.I plan to have a 3*2*3 array for atoms from hydrogen upto 122 with the ability for a space. Might try to have are larger array, but that might be down the track.

Will post the program when finished, and update this post



Added hydrogen atom setup, just need to work out the magnetic field interaction interaction.

Re: A model of electrons orbits around the nucleus using magnets and gears
Conundrum, Wed Apr 30 2014, 08:11AM

Neat stuff!
-a