OMG musical DRSSTC vids

Steve Conner, Mon Jun 26 2006, 12:38AM

Hi all

I finally gave in and decided to post footage of me testing my OMG super secret musical DRSSTC. I designed it last year as a paid commission for a Danish arts group who wanted a chorus of six musical coils that could be played by MIDI. I made a single prototype to test it here, but they ran six coils together in the final system, built by Finn Hammer over in Denmark.

http://scopeboy.com/tesla/finns/musical_test_raw.mpg

http://scopeboy.com/tesla/finns/dazed-and-confrazzled.mpg


What I made was an adaptor board that connected the internal tone generators on a Roland JX-8P synth to one or more DRSSTCs. The board converted the volume envelope to burst length, so the harder you pounded the keys, the bigger the sparks got. Hitting a high pitched note hard would blow the fuses, and the MIDI arrangements had to take this into account. wink

Since it was a paid job, I guess I'd have to get their permission to show you the schematics, but I think I'll get away with pimping the movies now. I don't think I ever posted them on the forum before, although I might have posted in the #hvcomm chatroom.
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GimpyJoe, Mon Jun 26 2006, 02:39AM

That's awesome! I really want to see a video of all six going in harmony! Did you have to sheild the Roland?
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Part Scavenger, Mon Jun 26 2006, 02:54AM

That thing is...uh, FREAKIN' AWESOME!!! amazed

I've heard about that and was planning to do that with my coil, but I'd never seen it done! "Sweet" doesn't describe! After that, I'm going to see if I can figure out how to hook my Strat into my DRSSTC. Talk about "electric guitar!"
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ragnar, Mon Jun 26 2006, 03:03AM

omg wuv j00 steve! brilliant! =)

I've never built a DRSSTC, and probably never will (too noisy) wink, but when I finish my digital electric 'cello project (of which a significant part of the system Avi correctly called an "analogue phased locked loop" LOL), I'm sure I'll have some SSTC goodness to go with it.

Maybe I can get corona to spray off the strings, too.. heh, yeah, right. =D
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Desmogod, Mon Jun 26 2006, 03:35AM

Outstanding!
Now I want a video of it playing "What's your frequency kenneth"
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Alex, Mon Jun 26 2006, 03:55AM

Yeah, you must have posted it in the chatroom, because I have had those movies on my computer for quite some time. Very cool! It has a neat sound, and interesting dynamic characteristics.

So, when does the SSTC synth VST plug come out?
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Finn Hammer, Mon Jun 26 2006, 05:59AM

All,

Steve built the controlling electronix, I built the coils and organized the venue. J.S.Bach wrote the music:

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At the premiere, the music was written by Palle Vang, another short snip:

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Funky wrote ...

Did you have to sheild the Roland?
In a way. The Roland did not fare well with the back EMF trough the 6 coax signal lines to the controllers, so I built a fiber optic connection instead.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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..., Mon Jun 26 2006, 06:11AM

I soo want to build a drsstc now just so that I can do that to it amazed
To quote the police chief at me eagle court of honor:
I am a man of few words... How can I describe a man like you... Wow... Amazing...
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Plasmaniac, Mon Jun 26 2006, 08:27AM

Great work! I actually thought I could be the owner of the first "musical DRSSTC" with my nanoDRSSTC, but as I see now, you have been building one before I only had the idea...
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Reaching, Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:27AM

very great work steve, now im really impressed.
if you cant show us the shematics, can you explain it a bit more how it actually works? im very interested in building this musical interrupter cheesey
from what i understand the on time stays the same all the time and you produce the sound by variing the off time between the cycles. thats not too hard to build with a simple pll and a lot of keys, but with a real midi input its difficult i think mistrust
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WaveRider, Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:36AM

I love it! Especially the Bach piece (too bad it's not longer)...Great work Finn and Steve!!!
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Steve Conner, Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:41AM

Thanks for posting that movie Finn! cheesey And thanks for hiring me to design the musical bit. Anyway, we're not going to publish the schematics or tell you how it works. And the VST plugin has to wait till Terry Fritz can get 60fps out of his streamer modelling code. tongue
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HV Enthusiast, Mon Jun 26 2006, 11:48AM

Awesome Steve. Geesh, you're even more goofy in person. Probably shouldn't have shot the video with you in it! tongue Just kidding.
Anyways, good work. Wonder if i can hook that thing up to a piano! Sounds like i may have to dig the ole DX7 out of the attic, if it still works.

Is there capability of of playing two-notes together, or do you have a lock-out feature which prevents that from happening?

Anyways, nice. Now you have both hobbies combined!

wrote ...

Great work! I actually thought I could be the owner of the first "musical DRSSTC" with my nanoDRSSTC, but as I see now, you have been building one before I only had the idea...

Plasmaniac,

The idea isn't new. In fact, both Steve's, and myself, as well as others, have already coupled a keyboard to the DRSSTC. But definitely not cool like this with the features Steve has incorporated. Also, Alan Sharpe had musical SSTCs going long before us.
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ragnar, Mon Jun 26 2006, 12:11PM

The "I give you this organ music--" clip, judging from the distortion when the camera goes near one of the coils is.... LOUD!

Huge volume of air being moved, in person you must be able to literally feel the sound... I love it!
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Avalanche, Mon Jun 26 2006, 12:45PM

That's incredible, just from watching the vids especially Finn's first vid. I can't imagine what it must be like to actually be in that room (apart from deafened cheesey )

So where is the whole system now? Is it going to be used for anything else?

Also, how did a Danish arts group find out that musical Tesla coils existed? confused
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vasil, Mon Jun 26 2006, 12:51PM

...Woo, your coils are cool Steve!"....

I will not be able to replicate this ever...:(
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Steve Conner, Mon Jun 26 2006, 01:37PM

Haha Dan. As soon as I get my teeth fixed, I'm coming over to America to kick your ass. Or to save the hassle I might just get Emilie Autumn to kick it for me.

The keyboard has a button to select monophonic or polyphonic mode. With one coil connected, it had to be set to mono mode and could only play one note at a time. I did try wiring up all six voices to the same coil so it could play chords, but that caused huge power draw. If you played a three note chord with middle C as the root, the coil ended up doing around 800bps on average. >_<

Musical SSTCs have been around for a while, true enough, but ours was the first to go up to 11.
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Reaching, Mon Jun 26 2006, 02:53PM

mhh, to bad that you cant give us an example, but thats no problem, i need only a few days to prove my variation of this, of course no midi but 2 octaves or someting like this to play with. with a slightly changed version of my pll interrupter that should be no problem.
ha, going to build a keyboard cheesey
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Steve Ward, Mon Jun 26 2006, 04:18PM

Yep, Conner's setup beats my simple zero cross detector that i used to pump sound from my DRSSTC. It did work with electric guitar and bass at very low volumes, but as i turned up the power, the noise from the DRSSTC would couple back to my input signal and cause it to go nuts. Finn has the right idea with fiber optic isolation. BTW, the coil sounded like the crunchiest guitar distortion you've ever heard... sorta interesting, but definately not within my musical tastes!
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HV Enthusiast, Mon Jun 26 2006, 05:28PM

Here is another MIDI controlled audio modulated DRSSTC system. Not sure who did it though.


http://members.thegeekgroup.org/~capper/midisch.html

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Dr. Drone, Mon Jun 26 2006, 07:02PM

shades
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Finn Hammer, Mon Jun 26 2006, 07:11PM


blackplasma wrote ...

The "I give you this organ music--" clip, judging from the distortion when the camera goes near one of the coils is.... LOUD!

This distortion, and bandwidth, is the reason for the short clip. The rest of the original clip I walked all the way around the coils, and back but I thought it best not to confuse the listener with the added distorted bit.
Avalanche wrote ...


So where is the whole system now? Is it going to be used for anything else?

Also, how did a Danish arts group find out that musical Tesla coils existed? confused

A short resume of this project. During 2004 I had modified a cheap toyshop syntesizer into triggering my OLTC coil, so that it could put out single notes at a time.
In the town where I live, we have an anual "art night", where local artists show what they are doing. Painters, sculptors, choirs, the lot.
I was showing this very crude musical coil in front of the church.
The leader of the music school got very interested, and we agreed to make a performance together the next year, which was 2005 and so the group was formed around the idea of the Tesla Organ. Steven was willing to make the electronics and a dance group joined too.
That, in short, is how.
The coils are here with me, and I am of course looking for a proper chance to present it for a larger audience. I`l keep you posted when I find the right time and place.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Michael W., Mon Jun 26 2006, 10:24PM

History tends to dictate that we as a people like to combine favorite things, in this case; Tesla Coils and music. Now we just have to come up with a way to combine 4hv's favorite thing; tesla coils with the worlds favorite things; food, women and fighting.... cheesey
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog), Mon Jun 26 2006, 10:30PM

wow...this is such great stuff. the Fugue just blew me away, its always been a favorite. I'd love to have multiple octaves, I just don't have the kind of 'play time' necessary. I hope after graduation though.

Maybe Ill play guitar through the fist one for fun.
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coaster_chris, Tue Jun 27 2006, 06:56PM

Conner you're a sick man!!! amazed
Holy crap, that is brilliant dude!! shades
I could only dream of getting stuff like this working! angry
Chris
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Reaching, Tue Jun 27 2006, 08:37PM

mhh, today i tried my idea of a musical interrupter and it worked fine, its not that difficult than i thought when you use a simple keyboard without all that midi stuff, okay its not that confortable but it works fine and you need only 1 ic for everything and its no yC. cheesey
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Avalanche, Tue Jun 27 2006, 09:27PM

I've already started working on a version as well cheesey

No midi from me either I'm afraid, not yet anyway. Mine is just an SSTC - it can do CW so it can do chords too!

If it gets to the point where it is impressive, I'll start a thread in projects.
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teravolt, Wed Jun 28 2006, 03:36AM

that is very cool!!! can you play any audio like voice or music
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Reaching, Thu Jun 29 2006, 09:17PM

i finally did it and it sounds almost like an electric guitar. okay im not the best musician so i made a video with a simple baseline or something.
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Dr. Drone, Thu Jun 29 2006, 11:12PM

shades
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HV Enthusiast, Fri Jun 30 2006, 12:43AM

Cool, very nice. Can't wait until i get this Theremin thing working, then i'll get the cool vibrato UFO thing going . . . heh heh
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Wolfram, Fri Jun 30 2006, 03:31PM

This thread is linked from both MAKE:Blog Link2 and Hackedgadgets Link2 .
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Steve Conner, Fri Jun 30 2006, 04:05PM

Whee! I just checked my web server stats, and the bandwidth has gone through the roof. I got 1.4GB of traffic in the last day or two, and I usually get less than that in a month.



Thanks to whoever posted it! I just need to get slashdotted now so I can be really 1337 wink
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HV Enthusiast, Fri Jun 30 2006, 05:41PM

Steve Conner wrote ...

Whee! I just checked my web server stats, and the bandwidth has gone through the roof. I got 1.4GB of traffic in the last day or two, and I usually get less than that in a month.

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Thanks to whoever posted it! I just need to get slashdotted now so I can be really 1337 wink

So, now as a scientist, you need to find out why . . .

Was it A) The cool new DRSSTC music videos

Or B) The new smiling avatar!

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Tom540, Thu Jul 13 2006, 02:14AM

Hey Steve,

You've probably already thought of this but since I didn't read the entire thread I'll post it anyway. Why dont you make a guitar amp drsstc!!? Now that would be SWEEET! I'm pretty sure it would sound awesome not to mention look awesome. shades
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..., Thu Jul 13 2006, 02:30AM

Wouldn't only being able to play like 1 string at a time sorta make it useless?
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Steve Ward, Thu Jul 13 2006, 02:51AM

I found that 5ths came through "OK" on guitar through the DRSSTC.
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Tom540, Thu Jul 13 2006, 04:02AM

Yeah that might be true but then again a bass guitar is lower frequency and a guitar in general has that kind of sound that at least "seems" like it could be reproduced on a drsstc or at least on a regular sstc pretty well. Of course if it can play midi sounds from a keyboard then it should have no problem doing a guitar. hell you can have guitar midi or convert it to midi. Or um something.
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Steve Conner, Thu Jul 13 2006, 09:51AM

I think it is quite possible to hook a guitar up to the thing, using electronics similar to what the old Roland guitar synths had. It should reproduce chords too. They would sound pretty distorted, but that might even be a bonus, since I'd only use it for playing metal anyway. >_<

The real problem is interference from the coil getting picked up by the guitar and making it unusable. The electronics inside guitars are very sensitive and tend to be poorly screened. So I reckon to get it working with decent sized sparks, the guitarist would need to sit inside a Faraday cage with a fibre optic link between the guitar and the coil. I'm not sure I can be bothered. tongue
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magnetomotive, Sun Jul 16 2006, 04:58AM

Have any of you seen this singing SSTC? http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/singarc.mpg

Is it possible to make a DRSSTC sound like that?
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Steve Conner, Sun Jul 16 2006, 11:05AM

Yea, Richie's SSTC (playing "Rapture" by Iio AFAIK) is a classic of the Tesla coiling world. I don't think it is possible to make a DRSSTC sound like that. They have about the same sound capabilities as the beeper on a PC.

I remember one old game that tried to play speech through the beeper, and you could just make it out, but I don't think full bandwidth music is practical.

edit: I just realised Richie's coil is playing a different mix of that song, that I couldn't find online. :-<
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HV Enthusiast, Sun Jul 16 2006, 01:18PM

wrote ...

I don't think it is possible to make a DRSSTC sound like that. They have about the same sound capabilities as the beeper on a PC.

Actually, it should definitely be possible, although be extremely difficult to do so.

The reason you can't really do this now is because DRSSTCs are typically pulsed (to reduce power, heat, etc...) and the PRF which you hear, will prevent any type of other modulation of the signal to be heard.

I think if you could run the DRSSTC at CW, you could produce the classic SSTC audio modulation sound, although like i said before, it will definitely be a challenge.

BTW, if you think Richie's audio was cool, check out these STEREO audio modulated SSTCs!
http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/oldwebsite/sstccoil02.htm

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Marko, Sun Jul 16 2006, 01:26PM

One other thing I wondered is could PRF of a DRSSTC be pushed over audible range (20kHz) and then use second modulation on it, maybe PWM. Also pretty hard to do but still more plausible than CW DRSSTC. ANd I don't know how much would that benefit the quality.
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ragnar, Sun Jul 16 2006, 01:27PM

Pfft... Muahaha...

**plot** **scheme**
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Marko, Sun Jul 16 2006, 01:32PM

blackplasma wrote ...

Pfft... Muahaha...

**plot** **scheme**
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I don't know how this benefits the topic, but, they look nice.
I guess you didn't wind them all by hand..
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ragnar, Sun Jul 16 2006, 01:36PM

Firkragg wrote ...
I don't know how this benefits the topic, but, they look nice.
4.1 with ordinary woofer for low-end boost.

wrote ...
I guess you didn't wind them all by hand..
You're right, I didn't wind them all by hand. I wound a single long one by hand and cut it into quarters on a tablesaw. ^^
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Steve Conner, Sun Jul 16 2006, 01:36PM

BP, that's just a photo of some coils tongue

If I were trying to make a DRSSTC reproduce audio, that's exactly what I would do: push the breakrate above the audio range and PWM it. However, say the breakrate was 20kHz and the resonant frequency of the coil was 400kHz: you only have 20 cycles to play with, which gives a PWM resolution of about 4 bits. :-[

You can't get more without allowing the DRSSTC to hard-switch part cycles. Or making a very high frequency DRSSTC, which you guys might be able to turn your class-E sk1llz to. Class-E coils are technically DRSSTCs already, since the Class-E snubber cap forms a second resonant circuit with the primary.

All in all, I think classic SSTCs are best suited to high-quality audio, and DRSSTCs to making incredibly noisy crashes, bangs, and hardcore industrial synth and guitar noises. >.<
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Tom540, Sun Jul 16 2006, 08:08PM

EastVoltResearc wrote ...

wrote ...

I don't think it is possible to make a DRSSTC sound like that. They have about the same sound capabilities as the beeper on a PC.

Actually, it should definitely be possible, although be extremely difficult to do so.

The reason you can't really do this now is because DRSSTCs are typically pulsed (to reduce power, heat, etc...) and the PRF which you hear, will prevent any type of other modulation of the signal to be heard.

I think if you could run the DRSSTC at CW, you could produce the classic SSTC audio modulation sound, although like i said before, it will definitely be a challenge.

BTW, if you think Richie's audio was cool, check out these STEREO audio modulated SSTCs!
http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/oldwebsite/sstccoil02.htm



Now all you need to do is play a better song. cheesey I got some old bass cd's from when I was into all that stuff that have some good treble in them that would sound great on those. I think I'm gonna try that when im done moving. neutral
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GimpyJoe, Mon Jul 17 2006, 02:34AM

So Steve, can we expect Odin The All-Fragger to have synth plug-in capabilities?
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Steve Conner, Mon Jul 17 2006, 11:16AM

You bet! smile Ideally I'd control it from an electric guitar, and put the exploding amp scene in Back To The Future to shame. How rock-and-roll would it be to boast that your last guitar solo blew a 300 amp IGBT. wink

I have some ideas about how to make the guitar interface, but it still needs a lot of work.
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GimpyJoe, Mon Jul 17 2006, 04:27PM

Maybe shield the guitar electronics, then add a preamp driving an IR LED inside the guitar so you could have a fiber optic guitar cable.
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Tom540, Mon Jul 17 2006, 07:22PM

K lets all sit back and wait for Steve to rig his guitar with fiber optics now....
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Reaching, Tue Sept 19 2006, 03:49PM

okay, i have done a lot of work and thoughts about this musical drsstc thing and i have had some success. i build a relatively simple circuit using a 555 to generate the on time periods, the off time is generated externally via a hardware synthesizer(access virus A) through a cheap optocoupler. and yeah, it works polyphonic!! i can play three sounds in one, sounds really like an electric guitar. with this nice synthesizer its possible to add delay, chorus etc. more to come soon,, . im working on a all in one pcb for a small isstc with this circuit on board to simply plug in my keyboard and synthesizer cheesey
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Steve Conner, Mon Nov 26 2007, 02:05PM

Well, it took a long time to iron out the EMC issues, but the Tesla guitar is here! We're talking 250,000 volts of brutal distortion, folks! :P

Link2

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Marko, Mon Nov 26 2007, 02:11PM

Haha, brilliant Steve - BRILLIANT! amazed amazed cheesey

I can't wait to see the endless train of comments that will show up...
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uzzors2k, Mon Nov 26 2007, 03:37PM

That's too cool.
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Tom540, Mon Nov 26 2007, 04:04PM

YES! Finally! I knew you could do it! Not that I doubted you couldn't but perhaps maybe wouldn't lol Anyway, Too bad I don't have sound on my work computer. I can't wait to hear it. amazed
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Capper, Mon Nov 26 2007, 05:48PM

Don't get too close to the coil.....I had sparks from the strings to my fingers on this run, even though the preamp and wave shape circuits were optically isolated from the coil. I was told that a ground strap on the guitar neck helps (haven't tried it yet).

Link
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Coronafix, Tue Nov 27 2007, 02:07AM

That's very cool, but damn, it sounds awful!!
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Capper, Tue Nov 27 2007, 03:28AM

That's very cool, but damn, it sounds awful!!


Yes, the lowest notes tend to wipe out anything else, and finding just the right amplitude to clip the analog to make it digital depends on how hard you finger or pick the strings vs. how high you set the preamp gain. A single note or a finely tuned chord can be very impressive however.
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Coronafix, Tue Nov 27 2007, 06:42AM

Maybe an electric violin would be sound good, being mostly high notes.
Don't know how it would fare with the sustain of the instrument though.
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Capper, Tue Nov 27 2007, 12:42PM

It would be cool to have a digital version of the old Texas Instruments SN76477 IC. A lot of the old video games used that chip for sound effects.

I've done some experimenting with time-sliced polyphonics, but wave shaping would have to be done by modulating the IGBT input voltage in sync with the gate drive frequency modulation.

Scott
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Dr. Drone, Tue Nov 27 2007, 07:01PM

shades
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Avalanche, Tue Nov 27 2007, 10:58PM

That's not just electric guitar, it's lightning guitar! Awesome stuff. Take that to band practice...

So what happens if you strike a harmonic or play a really high note? Just wondering if you have some kind of lowpass filter somewhere between the guitar and whatever generates the interrupter pulses to wipe away the higher frequency parts (and help with emc?)

I'm also going to guess you have some kind of one-shot actually switching the coil on, triggered by a something or other connected to the guitar?!

Absolutely totally crazy tongue
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Dr. Drone, Wed Nov 28 2007, 12:18AM

shades
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Danielle, Wed Nov 28 2007, 07:11AM

could you give us any hints on how you built it, if not would a system in witch you use a PWM at extremely low dutycycle and have the set carrier frequency at something like 2-4Khz? would this give an adequate effect on a DRSSTC with low(er) distortion?

Thanks,

Danielle
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Steve Conner, Wed Nov 28 2007, 12:07PM

Well, I did take it to band practice. :P

My guitar signal processor is based on the work I did for Finn, so I'm still not telling how it works... If you noticed me controlling the size of the discharge with the guitar volume knob in that video, you should have figured it out already.

I should also mention that the photos and video were taken by John from Audible Images:
http://www.myspace.com/audibleimages

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Tom540, Wed Nov 28 2007, 03:09PM

I have no idea of what he's using.

I think I'm gong to try this using a low pass filter then feeding that into a comparator setup for pwm. Triangle wave will be low frequency like 500Hz. Then maybe have some way to set the max pulse width. Don't know how great it'll sound.
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Capper, Wed Nov 28 2007, 03:20PM

This is the circuit I use:

Link

Teslaphonicamp
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Steve Ward, Thu Nov 29 2007, 02:47AM

I think I'm gong to try this using a low pass filter then feeding that into a comparator setup for pwm. Triangle wave will be low frequency like 500Hz. Then maybe have some way to set the max pulse width. Don't know how great it'll sound.


Audio frequency carrier? that would sound absolutely terrible. If nothing else, at least set the PWM to run at 25khz or more. But, considering you only get so many RF cycles inside of 1 period of 25khz you might be limited to about "4 bit" audio.
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Tom540, Thu Nov 29 2007, 06:05AM

Steve Ward wrote ...

I think I'm gong to try this using a low pass filter then feeding that into a comparator setup for pwm. Triangle wave will be low frequency like 500Hz. Then maybe have some way to set the max pulse width. Don't know how great it'll sound.


Audio frequency carrier? that would sound absolutely terrible. If nothing else, at least set the PWM to run at 25khz or more. But, considering you only get so many RF cycles inside of 1 period of 25khz you might be limited to about "4 bit" audio.

I know it would sound terrible lol, but just for the sample rate. I'm worried about too fast of a pulse rate and pulse width on a DRSSTC. it should be okay for just mostly bass. I tried it on a regular sstc with a 100KHZ triangle wave, which worked good but I'm not interested in playing MIDI files or full ranged music through a DRSSTC I want to try some of my old bass cd's in it and just use it as a subwoofer. cheesey
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Finn Hammer, Thu Nov 29 2007, 07:50AM

Steve Conner wrote ...

My guitar signal processor is based on the work I did for Finn, so I'm still not telling how it works...

Steve,

I don`t think you need my permision to tell how the guitar interphase works, in fact I`d like to see it myself. So by all means, post it to the public.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Dalus, Sat Dec 01 2007, 12:48PM

Capper wrote ...

Don't get too close to the coil.....I had sparks from the strings to my fingers on this run, even though the preamp and wave shape circuits were optically isolated from the coil. I was told that a ground strap on the guitar neck helps (haven't tried it yet).

Link

Sounds a bit like mine, Link2 . You can make your circuit sound better by using a limiter to get a more digital like signal.
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Dr. Drone, Sun Dec 02 2007, 01:11AM

shades
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Danielle, Sun Dec 02 2007, 03:28AM

do you plan on selling those PCBs or the schematic with the community?
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Dr. Drone, Sun Dec 02 2007, 04:22AM

shades
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Finn Hammer, Sun Dec 02 2007, 06:48PM

Christopher Miles wrote ...


Next weekend trying a Saxophone on FATBOY.


Saxophone on Fatboy! shades
I can`t wait to hear that!

If you can`t wait to hear what its like, :
Link2

Even though the sparks were 30inches only, the sound pressure was uncomfortably high. Hope you go outdoors to play Fatboy.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Danielle, Sun Dec 02 2007, 07:04PM

I think I understand how it works I was thinking of doing it this way before this form, I think most of them use a PWM and you can set the carrier frequency and BPS and PW and pretty much everything. I am working out how to keep a constant bit rate independent on input frequency and limit the input frequency. Otherwise I have a very nice sounding system ill post some new videos one I take another run (its at school, donated a medium sized one for the physics dep. although the music dep. has more interest in it lol)
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Dr. Drone, Sun Dec 02 2007, 07:57PM

shades
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Zum Beispiel, Sun Dec 02 2007, 08:22PM

Finn Hammer wrote ...

If you can`t wait to hear what its like, :
Link2
Wow. That was truly awsome! amazed

But to be fair, so is everything else in this thread cheesey
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Tom540, Sun Dec 02 2007, 11:11PM

It helps to have a mullet to cover your ears when you're playing, takes the edge off the high frequencies just a tad. cheesey
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Dr. Drone, Mon Dec 03 2007, 09:38PM

shades
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Finn Hammer, Mon Dec 03 2007, 10:04PM

Christopher Miles wrote ...

The only issue is when you get over 120db, your bones start to act like an inner ear and no mater how much ear protection you use the body is under stress.
So we should wear nothing less than a full face helmet with a snug fitting termination down on our chest? rolleyes
Christopher Miles wrote ...

Man that Bi-Polar DRSSTC is loud. We are finding that Bi-polar coils produce much better sound. cheesey

I wonder if it has something to do with two outputs 180 degrees out of phase @ Link2


I`d say it is more a question of sustaining an unbroken arc. as long as the arc is continious, the sound is extra clean. The arc breaks and makes way for ordinary streamers to air, and the sound gets --- well, abit less clean. Can`t just seem to find a word for it.
So an ordinary coil arching to a grounded object is also able to *play clean*.
I cannot say for sure if it is as clean as a bipolar, since I have never heard a bipolar coil, but an ordinary coil arching to ground is surely cleaner than when it is producing air streamers, and I noticed this is also the case with the bipolar on your video. Correct me if I`m wrong.

Or if you just plain disagree.
Problem arises when a note is drawn on for too long, then the arc rises up in a arch, due to thermal convection, and breaks. Only to reform a new arc that is, initially, horizontal (but starts climbing untill-----) At the moment it breaks up: That sounds really awfull and must be avoided. Placing the grounded target right above the break out point seems like a good place to start. (or turn that bipolar on it`s end)

Cheers, Finn Hammer
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Dr. Drone, Tue Dec 04 2007, 10:22PM

shades

Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Derek_L, Thu Dec 06 2007, 07:17AM

need more money to be like Chris .. Love the workshop man.
I cant even afford a single piece of plexy and seeing all the plexy you have makes me so jealous :P
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Dr. Drone, Thu Dec 06 2007, 04:20PM

shades
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Derek_L, Sat Dec 08 2007, 02:03AM

Heheh Yeah Chris.

Unfortuently for me im in Oil town so everyone wants a buck. I did find a guy willing to sell me hdpe scraps for a reasonable price. This place sucks so bad some guy was trying to sell me a 8" diameter pipe for 10 bucks a foot when it was sitting in his junk pile (need 3 feet) lol what a jip.
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
ragnar, Sat Dec 08 2007, 02:17AM

Derek_L wrote ...

some guy was trying to sell me a 8" diameter pipe for 10 bucks a foot

If you're only going to buy a foot (or three) of it, that's a great price - you're lucky.

wrote ...
when it was sitting in his junk pile
Emphasis on his.

Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Dago, Sat Dec 08 2007, 12:04PM

Steve Conner wrote ...

Well, I did take it to band practice. :P

My guitar signal processor is based on the work I did for Finn, so I'm still not telling how it works... If you noticed me controlling the size of the discharge with the guitar volume knob in that video, you should have figured it out already.

I should also mention that the photos and video were taken by John from Audible Images:
http://www.myspace.com/audibleimages

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I cant seem to find the video..?
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Capper, Wed Jan 02 2008, 12:21AM

Here's a new one I wipped up this week...

Link2

Enjoy,

Scott
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Steve Conner, Wed Jan 02 2008, 03:02PM

The video is on Noobtube @ Link2 :D
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
J. Aaron Holmes, Wed Jan 02 2008, 07:08PM

Steve Conner wrote ...

The video is on Noobtube @ Link2 :D
I think I'd finally figured it out. Steve, you're really one of the Boards of Canada guys, aren't you? wink

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Steve Conner, Thu Jan 03 2008, 11:08AM

I wish, I love Boards Of Canada smile

(the band that is, not those weird movies from the Film Boards Of Canada)
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Dr. Drone, Mon Jan 07 2008, 02:09AM

shades
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Reaching, Wed Feb 13 2008, 07:23PM

heres my new drsstc performing the starwars theme

Link2

connection via laptop
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Austin, Wed Feb 13 2008, 08:51PM

Sexy! although I liked the techno music more.
Re: OMG musical DRSSTC vids
Coronafix, Wed Feb 13 2008, 10:11PM

Nice one Reaching. You're sure to get a few hits for that one, a lot of fans out there. cheesey