Googling
Desmogod, Wed May 24 2006, 01:09AMIt's often read on websites to "Google for it you eejit". This is all well and good, but I was just wondering what everyones google buzzwords and syntax where.
i.e. When looking for homemade stuff (Tesla coils, turbo based turbines, pulsejets etc) Do you use the words "Homemade, DIY", or something else?
Re: Googling
HV Enthusiast, Wed May 24 2006, 01:11AM
use them all. when searching effectively you want to try as many things as possible, especially when it comes to obscure subjects. there is no one simple answer.
HV Enthusiast, Wed May 24 2006, 01:11AM
use them all. when searching effectively you want to try as many things as possible, especially when it comes to obscure subjects. there is no one simple answer.
Re: Googling
Simon, Wed May 24 2006, 02:26AM
When I'm unsure I often Google multiple times - the first few just to get a "feel" for what's out there and to refine my query.
Simon, Wed May 24 2006, 02:26AM
When I'm unsure I often Google multiple times - the first few just to get a "feel" for what's out there and to refine my query.
Re: Googling
Alex, Wed May 24 2006, 02:39AM
Cesiumsponge mentioned in the chatroom that he wasn't finding much in marx gens until he searched for impulse generators. Apparently that gets good results.
The more general advice has already been given, I suppose. Just google multiple times and let your results guide you.
Alex, Wed May 24 2006, 02:39AM
Cesiumsponge mentioned in the chatroom that he wasn't finding much in marx gens until he searched for impulse generators. Apparently that gets good results.
The more general advice has already been given, I suppose. Just google multiple times and let your results guide you.
Re: Googling
Cesiumsponge, Wed May 24 2006, 04:32AM
Indeed. Just try anything and everything. Many things have different names and you'll only get one slice of the pie using any given name.
Tesla coils can be found under the heading of tesla transformers, resonant transformers, etc. Voltage multipliers can be called Cockcroft-Walton, Villard, or Greinacher multipliers, and these can be called cascades or adders as well.
Cesiumsponge, Wed May 24 2006, 04:32AM
Indeed. Just try anything and everything. Many things have different names and you'll only get one slice of the pie using any given name.
Tesla coils can be found under the heading of tesla transformers, resonant transformers, etc. Voltage multipliers can be called Cockcroft-Walton, Villard, or Greinacher multipliers, and these can be called cascades or adders as well.
Re: Googling
ragnar, Wed May 24 2006, 04:58AM
Make use of boolean operators and wildcards...
eg:
+tesla +coil -healing
etc
ragnar, Wed May 24 2006, 04:58AM
Make use of boolean operators and wildcards...
eg:
+tesla +coil -healing
etc
Re: Googling
tecNik, Wed May 24 2006, 11:34AM
The "-" operator is you best friend! The best way to help filter out unwanted content. Also, I've been using google sets more and more. For example. Enter the terms "asus" and "abit" for a massive list of mobo makers.
tecNik, Wed May 24 2006, 11:34AM
The "-" operator is you best friend! The best way to help filter out unwanted content. Also, I've been using google sets more and more. For example. Enter the terms "asus" and "abit" for a massive list of mobo makers.
Re: Googling
Part Scavenger, Wed May 24 2006, 11:54AM
I use quotation marks extensively to narrow my search.
Homemade, homebrew, homebuilt are my main DIY cards. Homebrew often gets software best. If you're looking for computer drivers or datasheets, I usually put only the mod# in, no manufacturer or anything else. That usually returns the best results.
Also, try different search engines if you can't find what you want. They return different things altogether. Especially if you're doing a picture search.
Part Scavenger, Wed May 24 2006, 11:54AM
I use quotation marks extensively to narrow my search.
Homemade, homebrew, homebuilt are my main DIY cards. Homebrew often gets software best. If you're looking for computer drivers or datasheets, I usually put only the mod# in, no manufacturer or anything else. That usually returns the best results.
Also, try different search engines if you can't find what you want. They return different things altogether. Especially if you're doing a picture search.
Re: Googling
Wolfram, Wed May 24 2006, 11:54AM
I mostly search google for chip numbers, and often I only get hits that look insignificant, like pages from large chip warehouses, but sometimes those pages can lead me to alternative part numbers for the part or maybe the part number of an equivalent chip. Searching for this chip number might give me more hits.
Searching for component numbers in google can be troublesome as the text on a chip might say MC68EZ328PU16V, but there might have been a more popular variant of the same chip in a different package or with a different speed (and thus different letters at the end of the part number) with much more available documentation.
Searching google for MC68EZ328PU16V gives mostly uninteresting results, but removing everything after 328 and searching again gives us lots of good pages. This doesn't always work, but it can often work very well.
One thing that annoys me about google is the lack of support for wildcard characters, google only supports wildcard words. When I'm looking for something I've seen earlier using one of the 16F87* PICs, I have to enter the search term "16F870 OR PIC16F870 OR 16F870A OR PIC16F870A OR 16F871 OR PIC16F871 OR 16F871A OR PIC16F871A OR 16F872 OR PIC16F872 OR 16F872A OR PIC16F872A" and so on with the rest of the family names instead of just *16F87*
Wolfram, Wed May 24 2006, 11:54AM
I mostly search google for chip numbers, and often I only get hits that look insignificant, like pages from large chip warehouses, but sometimes those pages can lead me to alternative part numbers for the part or maybe the part number of an equivalent chip. Searching for this chip number might give me more hits.
Searching for component numbers in google can be troublesome as the text on a chip might say MC68EZ328PU16V, but there might have been a more popular variant of the same chip in a different package or with a different speed (and thus different letters at the end of the part number) with much more available documentation.
Searching google for MC68EZ328PU16V gives mostly uninteresting results, but removing everything after 328 and searching again gives us lots of good pages. This doesn't always work, but it can often work very well.
One thing that annoys me about google is the lack of support for wildcard characters, google only supports wildcard words. When I'm looking for something I've seen earlier using one of the 16F87* PICs, I have to enter the search term "16F870 OR PIC16F870 OR 16F870A OR PIC16F870A OR 16F871 OR PIC16F871 OR 16F871A OR PIC16F871A OR 16F872 OR PIC16F872 OR 16F872A OR PIC16F872A" and so on with the rest of the family names instead of just *16F87*
Re: Googling
Steve Conner, Wed May 24 2006, 12:05PM
Why not google for "16F87X"
Steve Conner, Wed May 24 2006, 12:05PM
Why not google for "16F87X"
Re: Googling
..., Wed May 24 2006, 02:16PM
I should add that when googling you should not be logged into google, I have found that when I am logged into google it hides results from me. I found this out in my 'searching the archive' thread; almost all of the archive was not showin up until I logged out
Besides that... When searching for part numbers I would recommend skipping google all together, and go strait to alldatasheet or something. I have pretty much decided that if it isn't listed there is isn't worth searching for...
..., Wed May 24 2006, 02:16PM
I should add that when googling you should not be logged into google, I have found that when I am logged into google it hides results from me. I found this out in my 'searching the archive' thread; almost all of the archive was not showin up until I logged out
Besides that... When searching for part numbers I would recommend skipping google all together, and go strait to alldatasheet or something. I have pretty much decided that if it isn't listed there is isn't worth searching for...
Re: Googling
HV Enthusiast, Wed May 24 2006, 02:55PM
I find yahoo to be very good at searching part numbers. Usually, i'll get a datasheet link whenever i put a part into yahoo.
HV Enthusiast, Wed May 24 2006, 02:55PM
I find yahoo to be very good at searching part numbers. Usually, i'll get a datasheet link whenever i put a part into yahoo.
Re: Googling
Wolfram, Wed May 24 2006, 03:23PM
Alldatasheet is good, but if I can't find a datasheet there, there's still a good chance I might find it using google. Yahoo seems to work well for part numbers, but for some of the more exotic ones, it seems no better than google.
Wolfram, Wed May 24 2006, 03:23PM
Alldatasheet is good, but if I can't find a datasheet there, there's still a good chance I might find it using google. Yahoo seems to work well for part numbers, but for some of the more exotic ones, it seems no better than google.
Re: Googling
Bored Chemist, Wed May 24 2006, 06:31PM
"Amateur" may be thought of as a pejorative description, but it's quite a useful word if you are trying to track down home brew (ie cheap) ways of doing things.
Bored Chemist, Wed May 24 2006, 06:31PM
"Amateur" may be thought of as a pejorative description, but it's quite a useful word if you are trying to track down home brew (ie cheap) ways of doing things.
Re: Googling
Cesiumsponge, Thu May 25 2006, 01:30AM
Has anyone tried
as a place to search for part numbers? I haven't had a need to search for components lately so I haven't really tested it's efficiency and usefulness.
It simultaneously searches a dozen or two major electronic supply houses and comes up with a go/no-go list of pricing and availability.
Cesiumsponge, Thu May 25 2006, 01:30AM
Has anyone tried
as a place to search for part numbers? I haven't had a need to search for components lately so I haven't really tested it's efficiency and usefulness. It simultaneously searches a dozen or two major electronic supply houses and comes up with a go/no-go list of pricing and availability.
Re: Googling
..., Thu May 25 2006, 02:33AM
Do you mean as a way to find them to buy, or for datasheets? If the latter then I would say it is useless, as all chips that are currently sold are easy to get datasheets for... It is the old/military/etc stuff that is hard to find.
..., Thu May 25 2006, 02:33AM
Do you mean as a way to find them to buy, or for datasheets? If the latter then I would say it is useless, as all chips that are currently sold are easy to get datasheets for... It is the old/military/etc stuff that is hard to find.
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