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Ash Small
Sat May 24 2014, 04:28PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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It's actually possible to do the swashplate without a spherical bearing, I think. The spherical bearing just adds some rigidity. I think it's best to leave it in for now.
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Ash Small
Sat May 24 2014, 09:09PM
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Ok, here's a very rough sketch of one of the four servo rams and a section of swashplate.

When all four servo's operate together, the spherical bearing (blue) slides up and down the propshaft (grey), giving your basic VPP.

When the servo's are not operated in unison, the swashplate (red) tilts, simple.

The servo rams (yellow) are connected to the ring (green), which is connected to the swashplate by two taper roller bearings, although it's possible to use a single bearing, two taper rollers are generally a better 'engineering' solution . The servo pivots are not shown here (yet). The connecting rods (also yellow) are connected to the swashplate and operate the VPP (I've not drawn the conrod pivots yet, either).

Any other questions? neutral

(This is a first attempt, using standard sized bearings. I'm sure this basic design can be improved considerably)


1400965880 3414 FT1630 Swashplate
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Patrick
Sat May 24 2014, 10:20PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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your beginning to win me over. but would a taditional heli bering be better? easier and cheaper too?
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Ash Small
Sat May 24 2014, 10:32PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

your beginning to win me over. but would a taditional heli bering be better? easier and cheaper too?

Do you have any relevent links? This isn't really one of my subjects.
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Patrick
Sat May 24 2014, 11:12PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

your beginning to win me over. but would a taditional heli bering be better? easier and cheaper too?

Do you have any relevent links? This isn't really one of my subjects.
sorry, head is blurry with a math hang-over.

pics!
1400973171 2431 FT162858 Index1



1400973363 2431 FT1630 Helicopter Swashplate Mesh


the link for more here:
Link2
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Ash Small
Sat May 24 2014, 11:18PM
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That looks pretty much like what I posted. There may be some detail differences. If that suits your purpose, use it, if not, we'll design something that does.
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Patrick
Sat May 24 2014, 11:21PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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id like to start with a already machined part, then use as is or mod it. but i think we add thrust vanes too right? to avoid a tail boom?

then we call it a mono-copter. my Wii board will already work with 2 servos, but not 3. we'd also need to get the physics right.
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Carbon_Rod
Sun May 25 2014, 05:38AM
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You may want to look at model Coaxial rotors a bit...
Link2
Link2
Link2

Rube Goldberg mechanical complexity...
but the air speed is better... wink
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Ash Small
Sun May 25 2014, 10:46AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Pretty good animation here: Link2

I think I'd be tempted to stick with a tail rotor and one lift rotor for simplicity, but this isn't my project wink

EDIT: just found this: "Today, on most modern aircraft the swashplate is above the transmission and the pushrods are visible outside the fuselage, but a few early designs, notably light helicopters built by Enstrom Helicopter, placed it underneath the transmission and enclosed the rotating pushrods inside the mainshaft. This reduces rotor hub drag since there are no exposed linkages." Link2

Enstrom F-28: Link2 Link2
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Patrick
Sun May 25 2014, 08:20PM
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i just think were heading towards a conventional helicopter, with all the cost and complexity i wanted to avoid.
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