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Fraggle
Wed Jun 11 2008, 07:46PM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
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Yes I mispoke myself, I apologise. You will need to add inductance to lower the frequency of course.
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Kristian
Mon Jun 16 2008, 01:45AM
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This is my third attempt at a 4 mot stack with the resonant capacitor. At least I got some video before I smoked the transformers this time. Link2
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Nik
Mon Jun 16 2008, 01:58AM
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WOW, those are huge from a 4 mot stack, too bad they burned out.
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Myke
Mon Jun 16 2008, 06:03AM
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Kristian wrote ...

This is my third attempt at a 4 mot stack with the resonant capacitor. At least I got some video before I smoked the transformers this time. Link2
Are the transformers under oil?
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J. Aaron Holmes
Mon Jun 16 2008, 06:20AM
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Kristian wrote ...

This is my third attempt at a 4 mot stack with the resonant capacitor. At least I got some video before I smoked the transformers this time. Link2
Wowzers, there must have been a three-footer in there somewhere! suprised This thread has been fun to watch. It makes me happy to see that folks still have fun just drawing big arcs off of transformer banks cheesey I'm a big fan of that too!

Pity about losing all those MOTs, though cry Kristian: I really dig the nice containers you made for them with the ceramic bushings and all!

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
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Kristian
Mon Jun 16 2008, 09:59AM
Kristian Registered Member #611 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 11:40PM
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Myke wrote ...

Are the transformers under oil?

Yes, the second set, the ones that see double voltage where under mineral oil. They held up fine, until I ran them with the capacitors.

I had two identical mots in this position. They were insulated very well, and held up to everything I threw at it. The inside secondary lead broke off one of them right at the insulation. Every mot I've used to replace it has fried the secondary. The original, the one that didn't break, is still working fine, even after getting deep fried in mineral oil.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jun 16 2008, 02:03PM
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Kristian wrote ...

This is my third attempt at a 4 mot stack with the resonant capacitor. At least I got some video before I smoked the transformers this time. Link2
Cool arcs. With 4 transformers you might need 0.5 to 0.75uF resonant capacitor (not 1uF), otherwise the transformers will get too hot quickly and you won't get any longer arc.

BTW where did you get such a number of microwave caps? I'm jealouos tongue



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Mon Jun 16 2008, 09:34PM
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The using coolers for hv enclosures is certinly a unique idea, although I wouldn't recomend it since the thermal properties of coolers are horrible (remember they can also be used to keep hot food hot). You might even be able to keep your mots running longer if the oil bath they are in had better cooling.
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Fraggle
Mon Jun 16 2008, 11:17PM
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I think there was too much capacitance as well.
All those microwave caps make me think of induction launchers and coin crushers, not arcs!
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Mon Jun 16 2008, 11:33PM
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He has his cap bank arranged as 5 strings of 5 caps, which will give the same amount of capacitance as a single cap--only the voltage and current ratings will be higher. It should be just about right for the application.
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