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Patrick
Fri Dec 30 2011, 09:21AM
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Im definitely going to etch a new board, based on the UC28023D2 single switch CCM ic, which has a 0 to 90% duty cycle capability, and ill use a current transformer for cycle by cycle current limiting.

i may try primary side regulation, but thats experimental, ive never done this kind of regulation before.
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Steve Conner
Fri Dec 30 2011, 10:07AM
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Jan Martis has a nice design for a flyback driver with one of those UC3842 type ICs. It has cycle by cycle limiting and an energy recovery snubber.

I lost the link, maybe he can supply it. I think he's Dr. Dark Current nowadays.
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Marko
Fri Dec 30 2011, 01:48PM
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Hi guys here's the one I know off, not sure if it's his:

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Patrick
Fri Dec 30 2011, 08:59PM
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i was thinking of using a tertiary winding for the voltage regulation.

and this type of circuit...


123751
I still have no idea how to calculate nodes, poles or any of the other feedback and compensation circuit stuff. Its a total mystery to me.


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Patrick
Sat Jan 14 2012, 07:38AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

Jan Martis has a nice design for a flyback driver with one of those UC3842 type ICs. It has cycle by cycle limiting and an energy recovery snubber.

I lost the link, maybe he can supply it. I think he's Dr. Dark Current nowadays.

here it is....there appears to be two variants, but i cant read his language....
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jan 14 2012, 11:48AM
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Why would you need to? The concept is clear from the schematics, the first is pure PWM ... the second is PWM with current limiting. Neither has voltage feedback though, so only the snubber design is useful to you.

Don't see why you would use a current transformer BTW. What is wrong with shunts under the MOSFET like this circuit?

PS. AFAICS this regenerative snubber is going to be ringy as hell, is going to make primary side feedback more difficult ...
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Patrick
Sat Jan 14 2012, 11:57AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

Why would you need to? The concept is clear from the schematics, the first is pure PWM ... the second is PWM with current limiting. Neither has voltage feedback though, so only the snubber design is useful to you.

Don't see why you would use a current transformer BTW. What is wrong with shunts under the MOSFET like this circuit?
Im reading up on snubbers right now, from the TI/Unitrode PDF's. His is hard to figure out...

the problem with shunts is that they generate heat, i blew some of my 0.5 ohm ones out pretty easilly. id rather use a current transformer for that reason alone... also i need one for a 50 amp circuit i have coming up, so might as well learn now anyway.

EDIT: im thinking of using the 170 VDC from rectified mains for the primary and single switch to the flyback,i think pins 10 and 11 will be my new primary.

Im trying to develop a whole new series of power supplies that dont need any iron core line transformers, my radio shack ones are too expensive, weak, and they're heavy...

i may be able to just use rectified mains for the UC3526AN, the FAN4800IN, and the UC28023/and 5, and the UC3844N. still looking at the examples in the datasheets though.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jan 14 2012, 12:21PM
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wrote ...

the problem with shunts is that they generate heat
With a correctly dimensioned exposed metal shunt in oil I'd think your transformer would fry long before the shunt.
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Patrick
Sat Jan 14 2012, 12:33PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

wrote ...

the problem with shunts is that they generate heat
With a correctly dimensioned exposed metal shunt in oil I'd think your transformer would fry long before the shunt.
Wait...wait i think were talking about two different things, when i said "shunt", i meant a resistive current sense, for the cycle by cyle limit.

what do you mean metal shunt? what is your picture of? ive never seen that before... were not talking MOTS's here are we? im not.

EDIT: i still cant figure out how his snubber works there...
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jan 14 2012, 02:10PM
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It's a picture of a metal shunt for current sensing, it's basically nichrome resistance wire on steroids. Just search for shunt on digikey and look at the results in resistors and specialist resistors.

AFAICS the snubber transfers the energy from the primary leakage induction to the snubber capacitor when the MOSFET turns off (it doesn't keep ringing of course, I was wrong about that). When the MOSFET turns on the capacitor starts a partial oscillation with the inductor, initially the voltage at the right side of the capacitor will be negative, when it rings up with the inductor they can dump energy in the main power supply smoothing capacitor (ie. regeneration).
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