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rp181
Mon Dec 15 2008, 09:37PM
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hmm, thought i already said this.
FRP is fiberglass reinforced plastic.
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Finn Hammer
Mon Dec 15 2008, 11:23PM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
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rp181 wrote ...

hmm, thought i already said this.
FRP is fiberglass reinforced plastic.
Nylon has a tensile strength of 6Kg/mm^2, and those 10mm bolts have 48 mm^2 cross section, enabling them to carry 288Kg each, or 864 total.
I think that is ample safety factor.
The primary assy weights in at estimated 10kg max.
Sometimes it pays to do the math, although I tend to design according to the TLAR (That Looks About Right) method.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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rp181
Tue Dec 16 2008, 12:02AM
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Tensile strength, but not shear strength. You need to see the shear ratings on those threads. Although if it was me, i too would also just try it and see what happens.

Also, Nylon absorbs moisture from the air, changing its dimensions. It probably wont be a problem, although it might matter in the future.
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Coronafix
Tue Dec 16 2008, 02:12AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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rp181 wrote ...

Tensile strength, but not shear strength. You need to see the shear ratings on those threads.

So what. The shear stress will be 0.6 the permissible stress, and it's still well within safety region.
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ragnar
Tue Dec 16 2008, 05:05AM
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rp181 wrote ...

Also, Nylon absorbs moisture from the air, changing its dimensions. It probably wont be a problem, although it might matter in the future.

Not all Nylon -- Nylon-12 was hydrophobic last time I checked.
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Herr Zapp
Tue Dec 16 2008, 09:10PM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Finn -

As usual, your design and execution are world-class.

A question for you about the attachment of the "cylinder mounting flanges" to the "crankcase". It looks like there is a substantial fillet or weld bead all along the junction of these parts. Are the parts secured to each other with adhesive, and this fillet is an external bead of thick adhesive (like RTV silicone or epoxy)? Or are they hot-air welded with a plastic filler rod? Or secured by some other technique?

Your "weld beads" look somewhat similar to the those seen in the plastic housing of Matthias Kallenberger's amazing HV transformers, which sure look like they were hot-air welded.

If you did hot-air weld the parts with a filler rod, how did you get what appears to be such a perfect color match between the housing and the weld bead/filler rod? Or is the apparent color match an optical illusion?

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Herr Zapp
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Coronafix
Tue Dec 16 2008, 09:27PM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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He already mentioned plastic welding.
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Herr Zapp
Wed Dec 17 2008, 01:50AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Coronafix -

Right you are, I missed that one photo caption that mentioned "welding". Still interested in how Finn obtained the color match of the weld bead to the base material .....

Also, you noted that the shear load on the nylon 10mm bolts securing the primary supports was 60% of the permissible stress. Can you provide any details of how you calculated the shear loading on these fasteners? 60% of the permissible load seems high, unless your calcs included some sort of dynamic load factor (e.g. accelerations caused by transportation via truck over a rough road, etc).

Regards,
Herr Zapp
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Finn Hammer
Wed Dec 17 2008, 06:21AM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...

Finn -

As usual, your design and execution are world-class.

A question for you about the attachment of the "cylinder mounting flanges" to the "crankcase". It looks like there is a substantial fillet or weld bead all along the junction of these parts. Are the parts secured to each other with adhesive, and this fillet is an external bead of thick adhesive (like RTV silicone or epoxy)? Or are they hot-air welded with a plastic filler rod? Or secured by some other technique?

Your "weld beads" look somewhat similar to the those seen in the plastic housing of Matthias Kallenberger's amazing HV transformers, which sure look like they were hot-air welded.

If you did hot-air weld the parts with a filler rod, how did you get what appears to be such a perfect color match between the housing and the weld bead/filler rod? Or is the apparent color match an optical illusion?

Regards,
Herr Zapp


Scott, shades

Thank you for your kind words.

Yes, all plastic is hot air welded, with filler rod.
I also noticed Matthias Kallenberger's work, and realised he could only do it, because he had learned hot air welding too.

It`s not at all hard to do, either.
Just keep the heat gun going right, @310deg celcius, and press 1kg on the filler rod, and it comes along nicely by it self.

Colour match is acheived by using a filler rod of the same colour as the base material, in this case RAL 7011.

But this is all going to get covered up, because after first light, the external parts are going to the car body shop for a covering with "as red as possible", like all proper souped racing engines are.

Cheers, Finn Hammer

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Coronafix
Wed Dec 17 2008, 08:02AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...

Coronafix -

Right you are, I missed that one photo caption that mentioned "welding". Still interested in how Finn obtained the color match of the weld bead to the base material .....

Also, you noted that the shear load on the nylon 10mm bolts securing the primary supports was 60% of the permissible stress. Can you provide any details of how you calculated the shear loading on these fasteners? 60% of the permissible load seems high, unless your calcs included some sort of dynamic load factor (e.g. accelerations caused by transportation via truck over a rough road, etc).

Regards,
Herr Zapp

You are absolutely right, it should have been 0.25 the permissible stress for shear stress rating.
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