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GreySoul
Sun Feb 25 2007, 02:32AM
GreySoul Registered Member #546 Joined: Fri Feb 23 2007, 11:43PM
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ever seen Brainaics? A terracota flower pot with a thick sheet of paper in the bottom makes a nice time release for thermite.

Also, check your local welding supplier for thermite and igniter, it's MUCH cheaper than buying it from United Nuclear. Thermite is often used for welding (brazing?) heavy cast iron parts together.

-Doug
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alchemy101
Wed May 09 2007, 06:28AM
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I thought i might chime in (first post!)
I do thermite reactions from time to time in chemlab. I like to pretend i'm doing enthalpy reactions - really i'm just having fun.

The trick:
I have found that the ratios of iron oxide to al powder are really quite unimportant, as long as the two are well mixed and powdered. The easiest way to get them going is glycerine/potassium permangenate mixture (spontaneous combustion due to exothermic reaction).

You will most probably have a nice stream of molten iron flowing out of your crucible*.

* Please do not try this inside. Do not try this near your kids/pets/curtains. Actually, don't try it at all. But it _is_ fun.

Note: If the thermite reaction is not starting, add more glycerine/Kmn03, with something LONG. Do NOT put your hand above the crucible, unless you would like it to flow out as well. When it starts, it is very hard to stop. If you have a fume cupboard, try doing it in there. Douse with steam/N2 mix if stop desired. It will reignite as soon as you allow oxygen in again - like a time bomb.

So be careful, and start with small quantities.
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sparky
Wed May 23 2007, 03:53AM
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I used Iron Oxide from a pottery store and Aluminum powder. I mixed the two 50/50 ratio then added Potassium Permanganate for a starter. Oh this worked REALLY REALLY well!!!

CRAZY!! Another cool Thermite you could try is black Copper Oxide and Aluminum powder 50/50 -- this stuff explodes when struck by a bullet or initiated by a fuse.... it velocity is about 1.2 km/sec --- and rivals some flash powders!! Its expensive stuff to make - but it is sure a fun science project.
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Bored Chemist
Wed May 23 2007, 05:51AM
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copper III, Are you sure?
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sparky
Wed May 23 2007, 05:56AM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
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yes, positive - black Copper Oxide. I've tested this energetic thermite mix out and it is awesome - can be a bit hard to ignite but IF you get the right amount of heat - KAAWOOOMPH ---- you get a pyroclastic cloud of copper crystals and white hot shower of sparks. Its amazing stuff!
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Wed May 23 2007, 07:21AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Copper's states are +1 and +2
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ragnar
Wed May 23 2007, 10:05AM
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I'm pretty sure you mean cupric oxide (copper II oxide), and it's black... compounds with copper III are, erm... not common, to say the least.


The only reference I can find to anything copper(III)-related is potassium hexafluorocuprate (K3CuF6).
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Bored Chemist
Wed May 23 2007, 05:25PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Still sure?
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sparky
Wed May 23 2007, 11:33PM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
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must be Copper II Oxide - CuO2 + Al --- please try this out and see the results yourselves.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Thu May 24 2007, 02:53AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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you mean:

3 CuO + 2 Al ------------> Al2O3 + 3 Cu.

Much better now.
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