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paris

Sun Jul 03 2016, 07:04AM

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who pays for what and how ?

over seas debt , payable by tax payer but whos lending the money ? where does IMF money come from ?
left or right , most countries are controlled from BEHIND with strings attached .
communism "colapsed" and state assets went to privatisation , all the sudden there were billionaires . this happened in NZ , this is not supposed to be a former communist state yet the same game plan is in place everywhere.
communism used to be a bad word , I cant remember the last time I heard china reffered to as communist China , all countries trade with China, its a commercial gold mine .
how about trade with Cuba ? oh shit no thems commies!!

left and right is just re shuffling the population . the history of USA gov is either this party or that , then back to the other , no different then any country . (England)
the minority rule the majority not the other way around , as long as people beleive they have choice

tobias

Mon Jul 04 2016, 12:34AM

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The only problem I have with the Right wing is sometimes "freedom" is only for those who fit their belief system. When homosexuals do not have the same rights and freedom heteros do. When foreigners do not share the same obligations and the same rights as citizens. The list goes on and on. I just hope both the UK and the US do not follow the trend of increasing nationalism while also increasing that sentiment of hate and discrimination towards all who do not have the same "Right" beliefs or do not fit the same profile.

Patrick

Mon Jul 04 2016, 09:10PM

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I love this thread. John Stossel and Gary Johnson would too.

dexter

Mon Jul 04 2016, 09:35PM

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tobias wrote ...

The only problem I have with the Right wing is sometimes "freedom" is only for those who fit their belief system. When homosexuals do not have the same rights and freedom heteros do. When foreigners do not share the same obligations and the same rights as citizens. The list goes on and on. I just hope both the UK and the US do not follow the trend of increasing nationalism while also increasing that sentiment of hate and discrimination towards all who do not have the same "Right" beliefs or do not fit the same profile.

to understand Europe nations politics you'll need to stars looking some good hundreds of years in the past. Also right and left in Europe varies greatly from country to country and most of the time is a complete mix. In such political climate a political union of Europe is bound to fail... which started with UK's BREXIT

In your comment if you replace Right with Left, minorities with majorities and nationalism with globalism/open borders you get an accurate description of the current Left.
Is the old saying: taken at extreme the Right and the Left are indistinguishable from each other

hen918

Tue Jul 05 2016, 04:57PM

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dexter wrote ...

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In your comment if you replace Right with Left, minorities with majorities and nationalism with globalism/open borders you get an accurate description of the current Left.
Is the old saying: taken at extreme the Right and the Left are indistinguishable from each other

This must be considered proof that the univese has no end, it just wraps around :)
infinity = -infinity

Patrick

Tue Jul 05 2016, 07:51PM

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hen918 wrote ...

dexter wrote ...

Is the old saying: taken at extreme the Right and the Left are indistinguishable from each other

This must be considered proof that the univese has no end, it just wraps around :)
infinity = -infinity

like that dragon circle eating its own tail.

tobias

Wed Jul 06 2016, 12:20AM

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Dexter, I have more trouble accepting the left than I have accepting the right. If only the right would embrace everyone, not just certain groups...

dexter

Wed Jul 06 2016, 06:39AM

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tobias wrote ...

Dexter, I have more trouble accepting the left than I have accepting the right. If only the right would embrace everyone, not just certain groups...

both left and right have good and bad parts and none has the monopole on truth... so seeing the world as left vs right only creates division (at best)

a better way is libertarian vs authoritarian and individualism vs collectivism

paris

Thu Jul 07 2016, 03:01AM

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fundamentally , Romans vs Barbarians

Uspring

Thu Jul 07 2016, 12:33PM

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On a more abstract level left and right is more about humans being "equal".

What that precisely means is not clear. Equality may imply equal rights, equal income, equal social status, influence etc. The views on equality can also be relevant wrt nations as a whole. Equal income, e.g., curbs incentive, while the unlimited accumulation of wealth and power by a few individuals will not be accepted by the rest. Like everything, that is a question of balance.

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