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Plastic Polystyrene Plate High Voltage Capacitors

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Muttyfutty!
Wed Jul 14 2010, 01:25PM
Muttyfutty! Registered Member #2915 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 10:41AM
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Wow, I've been trying to make some DIY caps for my TC and I'll try this.
Just wondering, on a TC, does it make any difference if I
use steel/Iron sheet instead of aluminum?
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Avalanche
Wed Jul 14 2010, 09:04PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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I would think that it's easier to use the aluminium foil, not only is it a better conductor but you will probably get better surface contact with the foil, less air between the dielectric and the plate.
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Adam Munich
Wed Jul 14 2010, 10:14PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Craft stores may sell copper leaf, You could try that.

What about taking copper guiding leaf, and alternate it with some transparency sheet? The very close contact the leaf would make with the sheet could prove for a nice capacitor.
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Mike
Fri Jul 16 2010, 05:29AM
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
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those would probably work; the point of these caps was to provide a simple way to fabricate a great many layers. Here you simply buy some al foil and plastic plates, cut glue and stack and your good to go, plus the ridges allow for great prevention of arc over.
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IamSmooth
Fri Jul 16 2010, 02:06PM
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Mike, since it is 4 years later, maybe you can tell us how large (uf) and what breakdown voltage you were able to achieve? How well did they last with repeated use?
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Mike
Fri Jul 16 2010, 03:53PM
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
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Like many other things, I was side tracked and never got around to building a big version. I interest is renewed a bit but I haven't the materials to test a larger version at the moment and I am pretty busy with work.

Anyone care to make a huge stack and post the results, I'm sure it would be worth the effort, if not, some day I will get around to it and let everyone know!
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HM_Murdock
Wed Sept 08 2010, 12:59AM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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So I found this and decided to try it...

interesting findings...

I have twenty 6" plates with regular "heavy duty" aluminum foil in between each plate (with alternating tabs sticking out). I cut out each piece so they fit smooth on the bottom of each plate.

With just the plates stacked up, I am showing 3.2nF.

BUT...

If I place weight on top of the plates, the capacitance goes up proportionately. At around 10 lbs it goes up to 8nF, and with about 30 lbs, I show 13.9nF.

I see where Mike used wood glue, so I am thinking of doing something similar with weight applied to effectively remove air and glue it all compacted. With enough weight and some extra glue/sealant, I think it might seal the edges of the plates and also help stop flashovers. My plan is to use this instead of a saltwater bottle cap for my TC.


So, two questions...

1- Will this work?

2 - What would be the best thing to use in this application...silicone, RTV, wood glue, gorilla glue, epoxy...etc...

Thoughts?
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Adam Munich
Wed Sept 08 2010, 01:50AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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You could use some steel stock and bolts to build a little clamp like thing for it. I'd think that would be your best bet.

Wood glue would probably not hold up too well, and if you need to take the cap apart to repair it, you're screwed...
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ScotchTapeLord
Wed Sept 08 2010, 02:25AM
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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I think the true beauty of this design is that it is more easily replaced than repaired.
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Adam Munich
Wed Sept 08 2010, 02:47AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Yes, but for a TC reliability is key. You don't want the glue loosening and the capacitance changing...
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