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Differences between good fiberglass, and good Carbon fiber.

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Ash Small
Wed Mar 21 2012, 05:50PM
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Vacuum bagging is essential for max. strength to weight ratio.

I believe I mentioned this earlier in this thread.

Lay-up is also pretty critical too.

S type glass will be much easier to achieve good results for a beginner than carbon.
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Patrick
Wed Mar 21 2012, 08:01PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

S type glass will be much easier to achieve good results for a beginner than carbon.
i think ive got the E and S glass lay-up pretty much figured out, ill try CF next. i like the vacuum bag examples ive seen on you tube, but that all looks expensive. and what is that nylon dispersing fabric they use called?

since CF is so much more valuable that FG, id like to use CF where needed, then FG to unify the whole stucture. so i wonder how i could make I or Square beams, or may be i should just buy the CF tubes/rails, and lay-up my own FG?

Link2 RC foam.com (for CF)

ive also just got my 0.375 gallon epoxy from UPS, that will last me quite awhile.


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Ash Small
Wed Mar 21 2012, 08:45PM
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Patrick wrote ...

i wonder how i could make I or Square beams, or may be i should just buy the CF tubes/rails, and lay-up my own FG?

Ideally you want to go for cylindrical, spiral wound unidirectional, or something similar. Maybe google carbon/composite mast lay-up?
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Patrick
Wed Mar 21 2012, 09:10PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

i wonder how i could make I or Square beams, or may be i should just buy the CF tubes/rails, and lay-up my own FG?

Ideally you want to go for cylindrical, spiral wound unidirectional, or something similar. Maybe google carbon/composite mast lay-up?
i need to strengthen largly flat structures, so round tubes maybe difficult attach? right?
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Ash Small
Wed Mar 21 2012, 10:25PM
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Foam sandwich could be the solution.

tubes do give the best stiffness to weight ratio, though.
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Patrick
Wed Mar 21 2012, 10:53PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Foam sandwich could be the solution.
Ive been using about 1.4mm thick balsa for this reason, then FG'ed both sides.



Ash Small wrote ...

tubes do give the best stiffness to weight ratio, though.
round, sqaure or I beam?



EDIT: i just finished the FG layup for the main tail fins, i just learned another lesson: fold the unfinished edge under itself, like a hem, so the fray isnt visible. i dont like the plain weave. Ive got the CF all in 2x2 twill. Plus i got this one just right, the amount of epoxy isnt to much or too little, my rolling technique is good! ive got the heater on and IR temp sensor, as its expected to get cold tonight.

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Patrick
Sun Mar 25 2012, 08:57PM
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ok i see how to do large layups now, ive made them too dry, too wet and just right. so ill be making more tonight, my FG and CF fabric arrived friday so ill be using s-glass from my new supplier for the first time tonight.


1332711785 2431 FT1630 Sam 1300
that water pipe keeps the balsa fins from curving while wet with epoxy.



1332730999 2431 FT1630 Sam 1310
Painted black, electrics and mechanics present. (The small circuit board is for basic flight control and intelligence, the large STM32-F4 board is for autonmous intelligence and sensor aquisition.)


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Ash Small
Mon Mar 26 2012, 11:35PM
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Looking good, Patrick. Hope you found some of the advice useful. smile
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Patrick
Tue Mar 27 2012, 01:54AM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Looking good, Patrick. Hope you found some of the advice useful. smile
yep i did!
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Patrick
Sun Apr 01 2012, 04:37AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Link2

I found this source which explains some of the trade offs of the differetn fibers.
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