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Patrick
Thu May 12 2011, 10:16PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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youll wnat to look up "jewel" thingies that the professionally made instrument use,which give ultra low friction. I have no idea if theis is wise or possible.
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Ash Small
Thu May 12 2011, 11:01PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

youll wnat to look up "jewel" thingies that the professionally made instrument use,which give ultra low friction. I have no idea if theis is wise or possible.

I'd argue that the cheaper 'professionally made' instruments don't use 'jewel' technology.

Magnet18 started this thread by emphasising that the limiting factor was his budget.

A self-lubricating phosphor-bronze may have adsvantages, but what I've suggested above won't have much friction anyway.

Minimizing friction while remaining 'within budget' is the priority though, I agree.
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Sulaiman
Thu May 12 2011, 11:35PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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One cheap option may be to buy 15 low cost analogue multimeters and
use the moving coil meter part and make new scales.
(saw off the body/switch/pcb part leaving coil/magnet/housing and clear plastic front)
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magnet18
Fri May 13 2011, 12:11AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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If I did that why not just use the multimeters...
Do they sell multimeters for less than $5?
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Patrick
Fri May 13 2011, 12:17AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I just dont see how you can possibly make your own meter movements and have them be usefully accurate. honestly I would just buy some of the Harris/ intersil ICL7107CPL 40 pin IC's and then use LED 7 segment displays.

there is an example of just such a case here on the forum.
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Jrz126
Fri May 13 2011, 01:09AM
Jrz126 Registered Member #242 Joined: Thu Feb 23 2006, 11:37PM
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I've seen them on sale for as low as 2.99 before, but that might be an in store only deal.
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Proud Mary
Fri May 13 2011, 01:24AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The UK price including delivery is £2.17, about US$ 3.50. It's not easy to see how a multimeter could be much cheaper.
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magnet18
Fri May 13 2011, 01:51AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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I don't understand why a multimeter is cheaper than a dedicated meter...
I'm going to check harbor freight this weekend, see what I can find.
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Proud Mary
Fri May 13 2011, 08:01AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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magnet18 wrote ...

I don't understand why a multimeter is cheaper than a dedicated meter...


Mass production, vertical integration, low labour costs, and mass marketing on a global scale.
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Ash Small
Fri May 13 2011, 09:59AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

I just dont see how you can possibly make your own meter movements and have them be usefully accurate.

The physics dictates that it is simply a question of friction on one side, and power consumed on the other.

The less friction, the less power consumed for the same accuracy.

A hard steel pin, sharpened at both ends, and pivoting between two centre-punched indentations on correctly spaced (adjusted) plates would have virtually no friction anyway. The vast majority of power consumed would be in overcoming spring tension (or gravity, depending on method used).

I really don't see the problem in building an accurate analogue meter, although a digital meter would presumably draw less power from the circuit being measured, at the expense of needing it's own supply.

However, depending on Magnet18's application, if cheap DMM's with an accuracy of 2% are going to be suitable, then use those.

It basically comes down to 'what is most suitable for the application', and Magnet18 has not disclosed details of this. He simply requested advice on analogue meters.
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