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HV Enthusiast
Sun Oct 01 2006, 01:40PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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Note that any type you open and save a JPG, regardless of quality setting, you are reducing its overall quality. This includes opening up a JPG and saving it under a different name, even if you made no modifications to it.
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Bjørn
Sun Oct 01 2006, 02:58PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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If you open a JPEG picture and save it with the same quality it was first saved with the second compression may be 100% lossless.

I have tried this hypothesis in photoshop and it worked except for some 20 pixels with rounding errors along the bottom edge.

Depending on the implementation of the algorithm, rounding errors may be very rare or almost certain.
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Oct 01 2006, 03:25PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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wrote ...

I have tried this hypothesis in photoshop and it worked except for some 20 pixels with rounding errors along the bottom edge.

Then it is not 100% lossless then.
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Bjørn
Sun Oct 01 2006, 03:46PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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Where did I claim that it was always lossless? I even explained that it depends on the implementation of the algorithm. Grow up and try not to be a childish troller all the time.
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Oct 01 2006, 04:41PM
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wrote ...

Bjorn writes:
If you open a JPEG picture and save it with the same quality it was first saved with the second compression may be 100% lossless.

You state that this method indeed *may* yield 100% lossless compression.

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Grow up and try not to be a childish troller all the time.

Please keep the personal quips to yourself, or send them to me via PM. And BTW, just because someone doesn't agree with everything you said, doesn't mean they are childish and/or trolling. This is a discussion board the last time I checked. Also, its ironic that you call me childish because I disagree with your statement, when in the previous post you do the same exact thing towards me - disagree with my statement.

You made a statement alluding to the fact that JPG compression may be 100% lossless if implemented a certain way. I am disagreeing with that statement and saying that no matter what the implementation, JPG compression is ALWAYS lossless. (excluding JPG-LS or JPG-2000 which we are not discussing anyways)

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Part Scavenger
Sun Oct 01 2006, 05:18PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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That Panorama program is cool! Here's a stitch of four pictures that I took on the fourth of July this year. It's down in our field, just as a storm was rolling in.
1159723096 79 FT6000 Panorama
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joshua_
Sun Oct 01 2006, 05:20PM
joshua_ Registered Member #61 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:50AM
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Less flames, more images.

4hv
larger | freaking huge

I took that picture trying to read the label off of that capacitor, and I liked the way it turned out. It could've used a little more depth of field, but oh well. I think it was cool anyway.

[Edit: fixed image size]
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Nik
Sun Oct 01 2006, 05:22PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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I took this with mt Sony DSC-P52 3.2Mpix camera. If you look close enough you can see my reflection in the frog's eye.
1159723378 53 FT6000 Dsc00024
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Bjørn
Sun Oct 01 2006, 05:45PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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Please keep the personal quips to yourself
My statement was not a quip but a public warning.

I am disagreeing with that statement and saying that no matter what the implementation, JPG compression is ALWAYS lossless.
I have attatched a picture that can be compressed lossless using the JPEG algorithm in Adobe Photoshop CS2 9.02 using Save for web quality 0.

1159724741 27 FT6000 Sol1
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Part Scavenger
Sun Oct 01 2006, 05:45PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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Because of the way the pictures were taken, I could do a tall one and a long one. Here's the other:
1159724755 79 FT6000 Pano2
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