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Herr Zapp
Sun Oct 25 2009, 12:46AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Anders, Harry -

Note that there is a typo in Panasonic's schematic: the caps in the voltage doubler (C704 & C705) should be 8200pF, not 8200uF.

Also, can anyone provide a clear description of the function of Q702 and its associated components?

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Herr zapp
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Proud Mary
Sun Oct 25 2009, 01:00AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...
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Also, can anyone provide a clear description of the function of Q702 and its associated components?

Regards,
Herr zapp

I think Q702 is configured as a flyback or snubber diode. I'd guess that all those parallel groups of resistors of equal value are there either because it's cheaper to have two or three in parallel to achieve a given value of one single one of higher wattage, or to distribute the heat over a larger area of the board.
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Herr Zapp
Sun Oct 25 2009, 05:09AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Harry -

As noted in the pdf document at Ander's link, this "appears" to be used as a some sort of a freewheeling circuit. But IGBT Q702 has an integral body diode, which would appear to be all that's required for a freewheeling function. I should have more clearly asked, is IGBT Q702 actually being "turned on" periodically through its gate? If so, exactly what happens when it conducts? And, when does Q702's body diode conduct?

It would interesting to know what the turn-on voltage is for the series-connected Zeners ZD703 & ZD704.

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Herr Zapp
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Proud Mary
Sun Oct 25 2009, 05:34AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...

Harry -

As noted in the pdf document at Ander's link, this "appears" to be used as a some sort of a freewheeling circuit. But IGBT Q702 has an integral body diode, which would appear to be all that's required for a freewheeling function. I should have more clearly asked, is IGBT Q702 actually being "turned on" periodically through its gate? If so, exactly what happens when it conducts? And, when does Q702's body diode conduct?

It would interesting to know what the turn-on voltage is for the series-connected Zeners ZD703 & ZD704.

Regards,
Herr Zapp

Hr Zapp: As with the paralled resistors being used for, I speculate, the sake of some economy, to achieve a lower value of higher wattage, I think the series zeners are in series simply to achieve some higher (more expensive) value. Considering these cheese-paring economy measures ("made to a price") it may be that the body diode is a completely irrelevant, redundant circuit element, there only because the diode came with the cheapest MOSFET that Panasonic could buy in bulk.

However, we have already seen that there are errors of notation in the circuit diagram, and it is not impossible that the 'series' zeners are in fact zeners-back-to-back - where we know of one error, there are probably others that we havn't yet spotted.
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Steve Conner
Sun Oct 25 2009, 07:15PM
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I discussed this with Anders a while back. I believe the topology is basically a single-switch converter, and the top IGBT is some kind of lossless snubber.

The MO inverter is so optimized for its application that I'd personally be scared to try and use it for anything else, like running a valve PA. I remember Ralph Hartwell built a high-voltage, high power SMPS to power a Heathkit 1kW linear amp, and I'd make something based on his design from scratch, sooner than try to modify a MO inverter.

The only thing I might change about Ralph's design is to use a SLR or current-fed topology, to do away with the high-voltage output filter choke and its troublesome resonances.
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Zeus
Tue Nov 10 2009, 10:24PM
Zeus Registered Member #2316 Joined: Tue Aug 25 2009, 03:04AM
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The Vout starts at 6Kv and drops to 1.5 to 2Kv.
I was told this by a MO repairman.
I'm in Australia which is 230V 50Hz
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