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Tipp
Sun Mar 12 2006, 08:06PM
Tipp Registered Member #215 Joined: Sun Feb 19 2006, 09:14PM
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Seeing as everyone else was having fun, I decided to join in

I used different amounts of extremely strong [50 lb carrying capacity each cheesey ] Nd magnets and used them as ground. I was running approx 35-40 kV DC via one of my flybacks. The arc didn't seem to want to stay in one place, it kinda ran around the edge of the magnet (3/4" in dia) and flickered around. Very intresting...

Don't have any pics, seeing as I dont have a nice digi cam to record with cry Maybe someday...

I've been scavenging old disposable cameras for cap bank lately, so I have a TON of flahstubes and neon indicator lamps I've desoldered lying around. I'm going to make a huge chain of them and see how many I can light up cheesey
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mikeselectricstuff
Sun Mar 12 2006, 08:50PM
mikeselectricstuff Registered Member #311 Joined: Sun Mar 12 2006, 08:28PM
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I think the physics are pretty straightforward - Fleming's Left-Hand rule. Current+magnetic field = force, in this case on the stream of ionised air. The fact it's form a FBT means it will be (pulsed) dc, so movement will be in a consistent direction. AC would probaby behave noticeably differently (and if you could switch the polarity of the DC supply you could maybe get some interesting effects...)
I did some sort-of related stuff a while ago bending plasma streams in a xenon flashtube with a magnet :
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cjk2
Sun Mar 12 2006, 09:04PM
cjk2 Registered Member #51 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:17AM
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Here's a try with a ceramic magnet.
1142197468 51 FT3785 Cjkvortex3
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Sam
Mon Mar 13 2006, 12:40AM
Sam Registered Member #227 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 10:47PM
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I read this tonight I I ran down to the bat cave!(my shop) shoved everything off my bench and oooooooooh! I like. I had the magnets of the 3 MO I just took apart.

I have a video but know clue how to post it... 'lil help?
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cjk2
Mon Mar 13 2006, 12:45AM
cjk2 Registered Member #51 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:17AM
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Try uploading your video to putfile.com and then just link to it here.
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skmetal7
Mon Mar 13 2006, 01:33AM
skmetal7 Registered Member #101 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:12PM
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I just tried this, its kewl!

http://media.putfile.com/Vortex27
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Wilson
Mon Mar 13 2006, 04:54AM
Wilson Registered Member #78 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:27AM
Location: Sydney, Australia
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lol, i've excited plasma vortex fever into everyone.

I'm still trying to make a hour glass shaped vortex, as well as an upside down one. Although admittely i don't have much time as term 1 exams are coming soon...
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GimpyJoe
Mon Mar 13 2006, 02:20PM
GimpyJoe Registered Member #316 Joined: Mon Mar 13 2006, 01:30PM
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I tried this yesterday with a half-wave rectified NST. It spun, but very slowly and with a jerky motion. I think this may only work with a higher frequency. I'll try again today with my 12kv 120ma NST stack.
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cjk2
Mon Mar 13 2006, 04:52PM
cjk2 Registered Member #51 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:17AM
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To make the arc stable you probably need high frequency AC to rectify to DC. If you try to rectify an NST you need some kind of filter cap on the output to make it stable.
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Sam
Mon Mar 13 2006, 07:24PM
Sam Registered Member #227 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 10:47PM
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I just used a staight ignition coil, But a have a frequency adjust on the driver, the higher the frequency the faster it spins
1142277818 227 FT3785 Waterarc2

^^^^^Thats when I tried under salk water and with MOTs
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