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World's Simplest Frequency Counter

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Tetris
Mon Jun 10 2013, 12:20AM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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Isn't (technically) the world's simplest frequency counter a crystal?
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Dr. Slack
Mon Jun 10 2013, 07:00AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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ASHPoD wrote ...

Isn't (technically) the world's simplest frequency counter a crystal?

And how would you use a crystal as a frequency counter? Stare into it in a darkened room chanting 'Ommmm' and have the frequency come to you in a vision? I never did like the use of the the word 'technically', especially when my wife uses it, to mean 'please excuse me while I spout bollox'.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Mon Jun 10 2013, 01:22PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I was wondering the same thing, although I was going to say it in a different, less harsh way:

"A crystal as a frequency counter? Please justify your reasoning."

I think what was intended, because I was blindsided by this statement as well, was that a simplistic frequency counter is a BFO, although it wasn't said that way.
Beat Frequency counting, or harmonically mixing would be "simple" compared to a digital counter, BUT! and this is a big BUT!, you STILL need to have done alignments on the BFO BEFORE you can even start to use it! Which means you again need a calibrated source and some kind of meter, standard, or reference.

I have a BFO test set for TV service, a Simpson Genescope, which is a monster with AM and FM generators. Part of the TV alignment process is tuning the TV with the Genescope and getting a beat pattern on the CRO, then taking a dial reading (wich is already calibrated in Megacycles), and doing a calculation.

Failing that, if you wanted to be humorous, or an attempt at humor would have been to show a "reed type" frequency meter and call it a day. But that is not productive, nor relavent to forwarding the cause of this thread.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat Jul 13 2013, 06:34PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Here we have the counter married to a VCO, and is now a portable microwave signal source, nearly complete, it just needs the stickers made up and it will be finished.
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Linas
Sat Jul 13 2013, 06:39PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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why not implement that on simple FPGA/CPLD? that should be very easy, with low wires count...
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Jul 14 2013, 08:55PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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1. Frequency out of the prescalar is 18.75 MHz max
2. Didn't have a week to play with code, I work full time.
3. I knew this way would work
4. I designed this frequency counter arrangement, so why not use it.
5. All parts are field replacable, a programed chip is not.
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